puredrifting
Major Contributor
Wow, that is service. B&H has always done well by me, I've been buying from them for over 20 years.
C200: CFast compatability - Cards that support VPG-130
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Wow, that is service. B&H has always done well by me, I've been buying from them for over 20 years.
FWIW, and I have forgotten which thread had than info, but EgoDisk claimed a 230 MB/s sustainable speed in an email (to someone here), which is more than the 130 needed for Raw Light.
In any case, there was a lot of despair about the "Unaffordable" CFast 2.0 cards and, two months later, that claim has pretty much gone by the wayside.
In any case, there was a lot of despair about the "Unaffordable" CFast 2.0 cards and, two months later, that claim has pretty much gone by the wayside.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Just ordered my third 256GB EgoDisk CFast 2.0 card today, $289.00 with free Prime shipping! Around $1.13 per GB is pretty affordable. Glad EgoDisk is around and seem to be killing it with their cards. I plan on buying four of the 256GBs and two of the 512GB cards for a total of four hours of Cinema RAW Light capacity. If we need more, I will bid them out as part of the job and will buy more.
cpreston
Veteran
Assuming that the EgoDisk cards are MLC rather than SLC like the more expensive cards, this might be useful: http://searchsolidstatestorage.techtarget.com/tip/The-truth-about-SLC-vs-MLC
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Wow, interesting and one more thing to be aware and paranoid about, it's always something, isn't it? We went through this with the R, then the E series P2 cards. I used the hell out of all of mine for five years and never one failure or burnout though so maybe the MLC concerns are much ado about nothing? Then again, if you read the article, unless you are a news shooter using the cards every day, they should last much longer than the camera you are using them in. FWIW, the packaging on the rear of the EgoDisk cards lists, "operating temperature as 0 degrees C to 75 degrees C and MTBF at 2,000,000 Hours. Transfer performance is listed as "Read Speed: up to 540MB/s and Write Speed: up to 420 MB/s"
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puredrifting
Major Contributor
Most of us, using these type cameras, don't really shoot that much in a larger sense. I have a feeling the EgoDisk cards will last most of us plenty usage. I might shoot four to five hours of footage per day in a foreign country on a show or feature, then get back and not shoot more than four hours in a month. It varies but you don't really rack up ther hours unless you are shooting a long form documentary where you are shooting for a year or years constantly or if you are shooting news or tons of events.
Eric Coughlin
Veteran
Once nice thing about using name brand approved media is that if there is a failure, the client or producer blames bad luck. On the other hand, if you cheaped out and got cheaper off brand media, and there's a failure (even if the cards have statistically had the same or better reliability than the name brand), then the producer/client blames the cameraman for getting the cheap no name brand.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
True, if I were shooting Cinema RAW Light for high profile, demanding clients I would probably rent the Sandisk cards over using my own EgoDisk cards. But as it stands, I will always be shooting 2K "sub-recordings" on my own stuff so in the event of a card failure, I would still have usable 2K footage. After evaluating what it takes to shoot a 2-4 hour of footage day with Cinema RAW Light, I doubt if any of our clients will want it, other than for the occasionhal tabletop shoot. I will be shooting plates for a documentary that I have been shooting though, it will have plants, waving sheets and other dreamy stuff, I may shoot that in Cinema RAW Light for the client simply because it will all be composited for every interview we shot for the project, all green screen. It will be like a film shoot, full crew, set, wind machine, etc. so we won't be shooting probably more than a few minutes of plates total. Perfect for Cinema RAW Light.
I noticed the other night that the MP4 subrecordings don't have any audio. I haven't had time to figure out why. Have you checked to see if you get audio on these files? Hopefully I'm just doing something wrong.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Yikes, no, I have not checked that, but I will today. I did see images from the 2K but didn't even check the audio. Will report back what I find out.
*Edit - Just tried it, audio from internal mic recorded fine on 2K sub-recording while recording Cinema RAW Light. You should double check your audio settings.
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Ok, good. I'll go back and check it out again. I've got XLR 1 going to channel 1, XLR 2 going to channel 2, and the internal mic going to channels 3 and 4 (I've not found a way to change that). How is yours setup?
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I have not done any routing of audio yet as I have been doing chip chart tests so I just routed internal mono mic to Ch1 and Ch2 fior my own audio notes about what I am shooting. Works great.
EgoDisk just sent out an email giving some details on their forthcoming 512GB card. I'm hoping to see a $500-$550 price tag personally. Sounds blazingly fast...
"512GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 CARD RELEASE DATE IS MID-SEPTEMBER!
WE HAVE ACHIEVED OUTSTANDING RESULTS!
THE FASTEST CFAST 2.0 CARD ON THE MARKET!
VPG-130**
SUSTAINED READ SPEED UP TO 665 MB/S
SUSTAINED WRITE SPEED UP TO 550 MB/S
PRICE WILL BE ANNOUNCED SOON!
PRE-ORDER YOURS ON AUGUST 30"
UPDATE: Apparently it's a higher level of Video Performance Guarantee; they just sent out a followup email:
SPECIFICATION CORRECTION!
512GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 CARD is VPG-260
"512GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 CARD RELEASE DATE IS MID-SEPTEMBER!
WE HAVE ACHIEVED OUTSTANDING RESULTS!
THE FASTEST CFAST 2.0 CARD ON THE MARKET!
VPG-130**
SUSTAINED READ SPEED UP TO 665 MB/S
SUSTAINED WRITE SPEED UP TO 550 MB/S
PRICE WILL BE ANNOUNCED SOON!
PRE-ORDER YOURS ON AUGUST 30"
UPDATE: Apparently it's a higher level of Video Performance Guarantee; they just sent out a followup email:
SPECIFICATION CORRECTION!
512GB EgoDisk PRO CF2 CARD is VPG-260
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puredrifting
Major Contributor
You know, you saying this makes me wonder why Canon couldn't do uncompressed RAW. Is it an engineering reason or a business reason? The Ursa Mini 4.6k can do uncompressed RAW off a slightly larger sensor and higher resolution to literally the same media. Even the DR is similar. In fact, I was using Lexar 3400x cards with my Ursa for the few months I had it, while the C200 requires 3500x and VPG-130.
My belief is that Canon is positioning raw as a usable format for many situations. Supporting uncompressed raw - which really isn't a workable workflow for many situations - would go against that positioning.
Probably business for this price range (i.e., C200). A truly uncompressed Raw eats up a lot of space and even big budget TV rarely uses it - still recall Rodney Charters saying, "We do 1080p on Alexa in ProRes" - but I think it will be feasible for the next generation of $15,000+ cameras that record directly onto a massive (2TB+) SSD.
Sony's X-OCN (Original Camera Negative) is even slower than Raw Light at 660 Mbps, essentially a proprietary version of ProRes HQ. IMO, since 2x compression is mathematically lossless, all high and middle tier cameras will be able to record it internally, with the uncompressed 4.6-6K Raw reserved only for the ultimate high production gear.
Not that anyone will be able to tell Raw Light from the Unadulterated Pure Absolutely One Hundred Percent Raw on an average UHD set off an average 4K Blu-Ray. The image quality is at a pupil's limit already. The rest is workflow.