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It doesn't look like it on my TV.
There were some World Cup'14 videos uploaded on YouTube in 720 60p and they looked totally different than a normal broadcast.
joe1946
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8K is needed for VR use unless you like to see every pixel up close. BTW the 2020 Tokyo Olympics will be in 8K and the 8K Dell 32" monitor goes on sale March 23 for $5K.
https://fstoppers.com/news/dell-unveils-worlds-first-32-8k-monitor-160749
Ambarella announces 8K-ready H3 SoC for drones and video cameras
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7601128262/ambarella-announces-h3-8k-soc-for-drones-and-video-cameras
Run&Gun
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ESPN is 720/60P(MNF is actually shot in 1080 and I was asked to shoot with my F55 because the one bump shot they wanted from me, they wanted it in 1080/60P, go figure). FOX is still 720/60 to my knowledge. CBS and NBC are 1080i.
Run&Gun
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Doesn't really matter if the images aren't originated/transmitted that way. In fact, processing/converting the incoming signal to another format can introduce unwanted artifacts and make the pic worse. I recommend processing the signal as little as absolutely possible. I recently put a new set in my bedroom. Went from an LG 1080 LCD to a 4K OLED. A lot of the motion was just "off", especially "video" from 1080 channels. It looked like 30P(nasty). Messed around with the internal motion processing on the set and it didn't really help(I had it off originally, it's off again, now). So then I checked my Directv box and my receiver. The Directv box was set to convert to 1080P and my Denon receiver was up-converting everything to 4K, which is progressive. Switched my sat box back to "native" and turned off all processing in my receiver. Problem solved. Video content looked like "video" again and 24P content looked right, too.
My interest in the GH5 is the UHD 60P . I like the smooth look of higher frames rates and the slow frame rate judder really bothers my eyes more as I get older. I have pre-ordered one just need to decide what lens. My interest is only in video and the GH5 will be an upgrade from my Sony FDR-AX1 camcorder. The FZ2500 looks great and if that did UHD 60P that would be something I may get too. Maybe the next release !!!
Run&Gun
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I agree that much higher resolution is needed for VR. I've been very skeptical about VR. But I tried it for the first time a few weeks ago and I was thoroughly impressed, BUT the headset screen rez is SEVERLY lacking. I could count every. Single. Pixel. I don't know the rez of the particular headset* they were using, but this needs at least 4K or higher resolution. Once the headsets have better screens, VR will be insane and maybe to the level we think of when we see it portrayed in movies.
*Just remembered, it was the HTC headset and controllers.
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Bruce Watson
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Ya, but this time, it looks like it's connected to some sort of a camera here. Military and surveillance may be their goal in the near term but a camera module can be modded for a more practical purpose too.
Now, what would that purpose be? I'd say, landscape and product presentation for sure. On a fifteen meter 16K screen too.*
* That Sony screen has 1.26mm LED's. Silicon Core's latest is .95 and Ledyard's is .76, so 16K is feasible on a movie theater sized screen already. For product presentation, the shape is more horizontally stretched out, not much above the eye level. For films, etc., it'd be shown with a different aspect ratio.
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To catch up on some (mostly irrelevant) Nikon news.
They'd introduced a D5600 - 1080p camera that is available for $700 body only (pre-order at the usual locales).
And, at the same time, there have been no DL sighting. In case, everyone has forgotten, DL is a 1" 4K line that was expected to ship last summer but was delayed first due to the Kumamoto earthquake and then due to some Nikon engineering problems (or so they say).
They'd introduced a D5600 - 1080p camera that is available for $700 body only (pre-order at the usual locales).
And, at the same time, there have been no DL sighting. In case, everyone has forgotten, DL is a 1" 4K line that was expected to ship last summer but was delayed first due to the Kumamoto earthquake and then due to some Nikon engineering problems (or so they say).
Samuel H
Major Contributor
I never got the point of the Nikon 1 series: the sensor was too small. But now that I have the RX100 IV, I see what they could have done with it: I'd love to change the lens on my RX100 for just two small-ish primes, a 9mm f/1.4 and a 30mm f/1.4 (FoV and DoF equivalent to 24mm f/4 and 80mm f/4 in FF terms). It's a pity Nikon never went that way (all the "1" lenses are slow, and now they seem to be ditching the system for a series of fixed-zoom cameras).
puredrifting
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As a lifelong Nikon user, sad to say that the company is rapidly sliding toward irrelevance.
A fairly well known Vlogger posted a video over the holidays where he opined that Nikon will soon be introducing a "revolutionary" RGBW sensor. I haven't seen anything to that effect anywhere else, although these type of sensors do exist ... mostly for the low light benefits of smartphones.
As a side note - when we were talking about the keiretsu system and the Japanese penchant for friendly competition - a few years ago, Nokia was able to stuff 20 MPX onto a 25 mm2 sensor. Nikon's APS-C's are ~ 370 mm2 or ~ 15 times greater in surface area. Now, a 300 MPX sensor would be too taxing on the currently available hardware but, technically speaking, nothing is stopping Nikon or any other company from hitting 50-70 MPX in the DX/APS-C format. There are obvious trade-offs in such a camera but, when a company's sales are suffering and its competitors are gaining market share, having such a model would certainly help the above company to differentiate its product from others. With Nikon refusing to do this, the hope falls squarely on the DJI/Hasseblad shoulders.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Great info DLD. What I have been noticing is a severe lack of innovative new cameras and lenses for years. Nothing wrong with the higher Nikon products but they all seem like "me too" products to compete with Canon while the rest of the market snaps up mirrorless. Nikon needs to pull their collective heads out, the market is totally bypassing them. It's too bad that they couldn't partner with someone totally unexpected like LG or Apple to bring their expertise in optics and imagers to high end phones. They could have totally jumped on the DSLR revolution and blown away Canon after the 5D MKII. But they demured and missed a huge opportunity to push video capable DSLRs and to expand into video. Sure the newer bodies all shoot video but with very unimpressive specs, they are just playing catch up with Canon, who has also fallen behind with DSLRs. Camera like the 80D, the 1DX II, the 5D MKIV are decent but the world has moved on to what cameras like the Sony A7s, the Fuji XT-2, GH5 give them. I hate to see Nikon fade to black but that's what it is looking like.
So, the battery announcement comes from the Detroit Auto Show (which is right next door to the CES ... if you're traveling from Korea). Samsung has announced an electric car with a 310 mile (500 km) worthy lithium ion battery that can be recharged up to 80% (or 400 km in that vehicle) in under twenty minutes. The BMW car that the battery is designed for won't arrive for a few years but the battery tech might be out sooner. Samsung also has shown a shotgun shell size battery with, I assume, the same tech.
I guess, if it works, it's a big deal for the automotive industry first and foremost. A passenger automobile needs roughly a kilowatt hour for every three miles, so a 300 mile range can be met with a 100 KWH battery pack and 80% of that would be .... (doing the math ... slowly) 80 KWH. And to do that in twenty minutes would require a pretty high jolt. And that would probably require a different infrastructure on top of that.
Cameras are fairly economical in their power consumption - especially with the chip manufacturers working toward smaller and smaller wiring designs - but the lights, even the LED's and plasma, can chew'em up and spit'em out in a hurry. Any improvement in the battery design can only help there, with the caveat that lithium is a rare earth metal and, should the demand for it grow exponentially, the battery prices will also rise. Given the past trends, the manufacturing costs are expected to actually fall to about $200 per KWH by 2020 but, as it is with the commodity dependent products, temporary spikes can also take place.
I guess, if it works, it's a big deal for the automotive industry first and foremost. A passenger automobile needs roughly a kilowatt hour for every three miles, so a 300 mile range can be met with a 100 KWH battery pack and 80% of that would be .... (doing the math ... slowly) 80 KWH. And to do that in twenty minutes would require a pretty high jolt. And that would probably require a different infrastructure on top of that.
Cameras are fairly economical in their power consumption - especially with the chip manufacturers working toward smaller and smaller wiring designs - but the lights, even the LED's and plasma, can chew'em up and spit'em out in a hurry. Any improvement in the battery design can only help there, with the caveat that lithium is a rare earth metal and, should the demand for it grow exponentially, the battery prices will also rise. Given the past trends, the manufacturing costs are expected to actually fall to about $200 per KWH by 2020 but, as it is with the commodity dependent products, temporary spikes can also take place.
A CNet piece on the new HDMI 2.1 standards, which are still at the final stages of approval, and the new Dynamic HDR technology on new/future TV sets. (Yes, it's all about the future, Benjamin)
https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-what-you-need-to-know/
In a nutshell, the next HDMI "48" has 2.6 times more bandwidth than the current 2.0 version. First shipments are possible by the end of the year but the deluge is expected in 2018. With these, a Raw signal out of a camera should be a breeze, right?
https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-what-you-need-to-know/
In a nutshell, the next HDMI "48" has 2.6 times more bandwidth than the current 2.0 version. First shipments are possible by the end of the year but the deluge is expected in 2018. With these, a Raw signal out of a camera should be a breeze, right?