GH13 Canon Replica picture profile

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Jonathan12uiz

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Looking to see if any of you canon and panny owners know what camera profile settings to use to get that "canon" look IN CAM.

I'm not looking to use this in video, because I shoot on nostalgic with essentially everything -2 for the flattest image possible for color correction and grading.

BUT!

I do want to mock the canon look for my stills. Sometimes I go on shoots for friends and I would like to not have to color correct in Photoshop before I give the pics to them. I would rather just dump the pics on their pc and be done with it.

Is there a particular picture profile and setting that I can get as close to the canon look as possible. I like the canon look because it always looked a bit warmer than the nikon look (in Stock form of course).
 
jleo said:
There was a Canon 5D/ GH1 color matching thread here, for video but may work for stills. 4th post from mr bill :

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...i-cam-shoot.&p=2235699&highlight=#post2235699
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Those settings he uses on the gh1 are the same I use for video, the problem is that these are designed for the flattest possible image, not the normal picture look that I am looking for.

I'm trying to find a picture profile setting that would make the gh1 look close to an unmodified standard canon picture profile.
 
I don't know that there's a canon 'look' for stills, purely because so many people shoot with different picture profiles. I think you're better off finding a setting that pleases you with your gh1.

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mr bill said:
I don't know that there's a canon 'look' for stills, purely because so many people shoot with different picture profiles. I think you're better off finding a setting that pleases you with your gh1.

my 02
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I don't own a canon yet, waiting for the 5dmkii to go down in price. I shoot with fellow nikon and canon owners and even though they do use different picture profiles, the standards are pleasing compared the the GH1's settings. I'm trying to find what setting bring me closest to their standard, then I can tweek from there. I've played with the GH1 settings but I can't seem to find the right mix of settings.
 
Jonathan12uiz said:
I don't own a canon yet, waiting for the 5dmkii to go down in price. I shoot with fellow nikon and canon owners and even though they do use different picture profiles, the standards are pleasing compared the the GH1's settings. I'm trying to find what setting bring me closest to their standard, then I can tweek from there. I've played with the GH1 settings but I can't seem to find the right mix of settings.
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why don't you just shoot it flat in the GH13 and colorize it anyway you want in post?
 
meinyvr said:
why don't you just shoot it flat in the GH13 and colorize it anyway you want in post?
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I shall answer your post with a quote from my opening post:

I do want to mock the canon look for my stills. Sometimes I go on shoots for friends and I would like to not have to color correct in Photoshop before I give the pics to them. I would rather just dump the pics on their pc and be done with it.
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Just like any other photographer out there, I would like to spend less time on a computer correcting something that could have been done in cam.
 
Expecting video footage to come out of the camera freshly baked and looking like 5DII footage is a non-starter for too many reasons to go into here. The other posters here are correct, the best shot you have at matching the "5D look", if that's what your goal is, is to shoot as flatly as possible and then color grade in post. There's just no wiggle room on this front. You can fiddle with the camera's picture controls and bake in more contrast, saturation, sharpening, etc., but it's never going to match the "5D look" and you'll probably reduce your ability to grade it in post without piling on the artifacts and reducing quality overall.

Consumers expect digital cameras to output perfect looking stills and video. It just doesn't work that way. You get your first DSLR, shoot some video, and it looks so dull, flat, and un-filmlike that one of two things happens:

1. You either do some research on forums like this and learn how to color grade in post to get the look you want, or;

2. You do what most guys do and say #%$ it, this camera sucks, and you go back to shooting on a Flip or Sony Handycam.
 
shaveblog said:
Expecting video footage to come out of the camera freshly baked and looking like 5DII footage is a non-starter for too many reasons to go into here. The other posters here are correct, the best shot you have at matching the "5D look", if that's what your goal is, is to shoot as flatly as possible and then color grade in post. There's just no wiggle room on this front. You can fiddle with the camera's picture controls and bake in more contrast, saturation, sharpening, etc., but it's never going to match the "5D look" and you'll probably reduce your ability to grade it in post without piling on the artifacts and reducing quality overall.

Consumers expect digital cameras to output perfect looking stills and video. It just doesn't work that way. You get your first DSLR, shoot some video, and it looks so dull, flat, and un-filmlike that one of two things happens:

1. You either do some research on forums like this and learn how to color grade in post to get the look you want, or;

2. You do what most guys do and say #%$ it, this camera sucks, and you go back to shooting on a Flip or Sony Handycam.
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I dont know what it is that you guys are misinterpreting about what I'm trying to say. THIS IS NOT FOR VIDEO APPLICATION. This is for STILLS. I want to closely match a standard canon picture profile in terms of sharpness, saturation, NR, and contrast. I want to do this so I DON'T HAVE TO COLOR CORRECT OR GRADE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO MATCH TO A FLAT CANON COLOR PROFILE SO COLOR CORRECTING OR GRADING PURPOSES. I'm trying to bring out the look that canons give in still preferences (color, saturation, sharpness, etc). I will from there use that as a base to tweek to my liking.

This would be the same concept as if I owned a canon and just changed my picture profile from standard to portrait when taking stills.

I know a GH will NEVER have comparable stills as a canon, but I would like to match it as close as possible.
 
Hmm. Oh wait, I have an idea why we've all been trying to help you with video advice:

This is a video discussion forum.

Dpreview.com is a forum for stills shooters. I'm sure they have plenty of guys who'd love to tell you how to make your Lumix bake JPGs that look like a 5D. For added hilarity, ask them to post samples.
 
shaveblog said:
Hmm. Oh wait, I have an idea why we've all been trying to help you with video advice:

This is a video discussion forum.

Dpreview.com is a forum for stills shooters. I'm sure they have plenty of guys who'd love to tell you how to make your Lumix bake JPGs that look like a 5D. For added hilarity, ask them to post samples.
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Yes, I'm already aware of how to shoot the GH1 to produce better video after color correction/grading after shooting with a flat profile. I shoot nostalgic -2 -2 -2 -2. Color correct in FCP or color.

What I'm trying to do is just find some Canon owners who also have GH cameras so That I can create a custom picture profile to match the canons' Still look.

I posted here instead of a photography forum because most GH owners are on here, not photography forums. I figured I could find a GH/canon dual user that has input on similar picture profiles for still shooting.
I would just test it, but I don't own a canon.
 
Jonathan12uiz said:
I shall answer your post with a quote from my opening post:



Just like any other photographer out there, I would like to spend less time on a computer correcting something that could have been done in cam.
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you are cheating.

in the "old days" we had to spend time in the darkroom.

the modern day equivalent is the computer.

you want to get 100% of the desired output for only 50% effort.

it's not gonna happen. i'd like to ask you how old you are but i have a feeling you are "young".
 
meinyvr said:
you are cheating.

in the "old days" we had to spend time in the darkroom.

the modern day equivalent is the computer.

you want to get 100% of the desired output for only 50% effort.

it's not gonna happen. i'd like to ask you how old you are but i have a feeling you are "young".
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I'm not trying to match a film look otherwise I would just shoot using my mamiya/sekor 1000DTL slr. What I'm trying to do is match a digital color profile off of a canon so that I can try and match it's look.

I spend enough time in aperture, photoshop, and FCP editing things that I would like to just get a simple nice look out of the GH1 without editing. I'm not asking for a perfect picture, I'm asking for a canon color profile. Simple enough. Whether I was 10 or 100 years Old what I'm asking for is just some comparison data so I can build a color profile IN CAM on the GH1 to produce decent color profiles in my stills WITHOUT having to edit.

I'm not using this for some paid gig or anything, I just want a good look out of the cam for my family home pictures and fun pics. I don't want to spend time editing every damn picture I take to make it look perfect, I just want a good base that is pleasing to my eye without editing so that I can drag and drop and be done.
 
Jonathan12uiz said:
I'm not trying to match a film look otherwise I would just shoot using my mamiya/sekor 1000DTL slr. What I'm trying to do is match a digital color profile off of a canon so that I can try and match it's look.

I spend enough time in aperture, photoshop, and FCP editing things that I would like to just get a simple nice look out of the GH1 without editing. I'm not asking for a perfect picture, I'm asking for a canon color profile. Simple enough. Whether I was 10 or 100 years Old what I'm asking for is just some comparison data so I can build a color profile IN CAM on the GH1 to produce decent color profiles in my stills WITHOUT having to edit.

I'm not using this for some paid gig or anything, I just want a good look out of the cam for my family home pictures and fun pics. I don't want to spend time editing every damn picture I take to make it look perfect, I just want a good base that is pleasing to my eye without editing so that I can drag and drop and be done.
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if that is the case i suggest an olympus epl1 or epl2.

it has the best looking jpgs out of camera i have seen.
 
meinyvr said:
if that is the case i suggest an olympus epl1 or epl2.

it has the best looking jpgs out of camera i have seen.
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although I've seen comparison pictures of the PENs giving better pics than the GF1, I'm not in the market nor have the money to get more cameras. I'm keeping things simple with what I own now. I also like the fact that I don't have to have 2 cams, I like my hybrid.
 
rambooc1 said:
Dynamic or Nature preset and crank the WB towards blue using the 4 way adjuster.
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Hmm, I'm getting too blue of a hue with that setting... do i move towards green or magenta at all? also I usually notice canons to be warmer than nikons, wouldn't that entitle moving more towards the "A" in white balance color shift? or is the Panny super warm compared to a canon so I would cool it?

But seriously thanks for starting to point me in the right direction for starting to get a good look from my stills.
 
Shoot in RAW and use either Lightroom 3 (PC) or Aperture 3 (Mac) to colour correct, in a super fast way that can be replicated across huge batches of photos without degradation to your footage.

This way you will get the best images from your camera. Period. You will match colours better. Period. You will work faster. Period. You will be happier. Possibly.
 
I second the batch processing of RAWs. Once you have done it once, you should be able to set up a profile and auto apply anytime you like.

I just did an experiment today, there is no way I can get my GH2 photos to have the same default colour as my Canons in camera. The blues and yellows I can get pretty close, but reds and browns are completely different, it's like Canon has a huge warming filter over the whole picture, GH2 are actually more realistic IMO, Canons are more like memories.
 
Lucas Adamson said:
Shoot in RAW and use either Lightroom 3 (PC) or Aperture 3 (Mac) to colour correct, in a super fast way that can be replicated across huge batches of photos without degradation to your footage.

This way you will get the best images from your camera. Period. You will match colours better. Period. You will work faster. Period. You will be happier. Possibly.
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Thats what I do now, Although I just want some IN CAM processing to give a pleasing result in JPEG so that I can have small simple photos for non important stuff.
 
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