Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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AndreeOnline
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Now with a a few more official pieces of the puzzle, it actually looks like we might finally have a pretty final spec without any real loopholes left where Canon can disappoint.
The R5 seems to be the real deal and looks like a great body to switch over to RF.
It must have been at least 3 years or so now, since some of Canon's higher tier product management talked about them wanting to be more aggressive with specs. With the latest releases it looks like that day has come.
Feels a bit similar to when Sigma started releasing their Art-lenses—forcing everyone to re-evaluate their beliefs.
This camera will sell.
The R5 seems to be the real deal and looks like a great body to switch over to RF.
It must have been at least 3 years or so now, since some of Canon's higher tier product management talked about them wanting to be more aggressive with specs. With the latest releases it looks like that day has come.
Feels a bit similar to when Sigma started releasing their Art-lenses—forcing everyone to re-evaluate their beliefs.
This camera will sell.
Bassman2003
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I agree. The bitrates will be fine enough. This camera is looking to be sort of a mic drop moment for Canon. As I stated earlier, the best way to sell lenses is to make killer bodies.
AndreeOnline
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I'm assuming a time limit of max 30 minutes. So, effectively no limit.
When you need to shoot for 30 minutes without yelling 'Cut!', is when you know it's time to pick up a camcorder.
When you need to shoot for 30 minutes without yelling 'Cut!', is when you know it's time to pick up a camcorder.
We don't know how long you can shoot in 8K raw if that is a factor for you. Overheating? It could be only a minute or two
puredrifting
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For me, this camera seems as exciting as a root canal. 8K? Who cares? Having to buy a whole arsenal of expensive RF mount lenses? No thanks. Mirrorless form factor is awful for anything but gimbal shooting.
What am I missing, why does everyone think this camera is the second coming? Are people getting all hot and bothered because they want to shoot 8K? What will make this such a better mirrorless than
the S-1H, other than internal RAW and better AF?
The rumor sites are saying this camera should be around $4k? Please enlighten me, what's the big deal here?
What am I missing, why does everyone think this camera is the second coming? Are people getting all hot and bothered because they want to shoot 8K? What will make this such a better mirrorless than
the S-1H, other than internal RAW and better AF?
The rumor sites are saying this camera should be around $4k? Please enlighten me, what's the big deal here?
ozmorphasis
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Putting the 8k aside for a moment:
It's the first camera to combine all the elements that have up until now been spread across different manufacturers.
Ibis, Canon's AF, Internal Raw. If having those in one place doesn't matter to you, then you are right. There are other choices.
However, if you look at most comments from folks who are bought into a system, you will hear complaining about one of the above features missing from their otherwise beloved camera.
Panasonic's crappy AF is a perfect example. Lots of complaints there.
BM's lack of ibis.
Canon's _________ (long list there with previous cams)
But yeah, the RF mount part of the equation is definitely a thing.
NorBro
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I think you've hit that old grumpy age, lol.
Camera is very refreshing and very necessary for the industry as a whole to motivate other companies.
Even if YOU can't use it, look at it as a selfless step in the right direction.
ozmorphasis
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I suppose you could yell cut during an interview, but I prefer not to. Many folks who travel light/OMB prefer to use small bodies that still allow them to have creative choices with lensing for their b-roll, beauty shot, etc.
Aside from specific gigs that budgeted for larger cameras, most of my income during the past 2 years has come from a kit of two GH5's. A regular paired with a GH5s. Especially great for travel corp or doc work. 30 min limit would have been very annoying if not downright problematic. I can't say cut to the CEO of a major corp because 30 min are up. Yes, you can start and stop quietly in between thoughts, but really....
Run&Gun
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I'll probably snag one as soon as I can. BUT I'm buying it for stills, just like every other 5D I've bought. Any video functions are purely 'nice extras', as far as I'm concerned. I mean I'm sure it'll pair nicely with my Ronin S, but again, that's purely a bonus. I'm gonna buy it for stills. And I'll probably just get the Canon adapter and continue using my collection of nice EF lenses.
Run&Gun
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We used to ALL of the time in the tape days with professional athletes, celebrities politicians and powerful CEO's alike. We've become spoiled. Yes, it can break the momentum if it happens at the wrong time, but sometimes the break is a good thing. It lets everyone take a breath for a minute. I don't know how many interviews I've shot in the "modern age" where we're 60-90 mins or longer in without stopping and I just want to say "Can we f u c k i n g wrap this up already?".
Jim Feeley
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For interviews, it's not the end of the world as long as the interviewer/producer is on top of things.
Remember 10-min loads with 16mm? Or 30min tapes with Betacam SP? Everyone made it work. Or more recently: Some bug in FCP7 (or so) where if you added a speedramp (or some such effect), then FCP would rerender the entire master clip, not just the subclip you used in the timeline. Worked on a series where they used lots of those during interviews; it was a style choice. I'm thinking we were rolling DVCPRO50 or so. So anyway, during interviews, camop would start a new clip every 15min or so...that way FCP didn't render a 60min interview clip. Stop-start; that's it. Took a couple seconds.
So I dig unlimited clip length, especially when recording preformances. But the 30min limit hasn't been that big a deal for interviews with file-based cameras. Yes, a slight hassle both during production and post. But slight. So that's probably not a make/break issue for me when choosing a camera.
ozmorphasis
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Fair enough. I'm not that kind of veteran and came of age in more recent years. 60-90min, sure. A break is needed by all in that scenario. However, the reason 30 min sucks is because a lot of interviews are exactly right around that length, so it is a drag to have to think about it.
But you know, that's true for anything that has simply evolved. Hot lights, time recording limits, digital vs film/tape.
"I don't want my CEO subjects to sweat on camera and be annoyed by the heat."
"In my day we didn't have condoms; you just took a rabbit-skin, wrapped it around your privates, and tied it on with a bungee cord! And we used the same one, over and over again! And that's how it was, and you liked it! You loved it!"
--Grumpy Old Man
NorBro
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A 30-minute recording limit isn't a make-or-break for 99% using these kind of cameras, which is why it's not really cared about it. (The a6400 and future cameras were a nice surprise from Sony.) For the 5 times I personally have to record for longer than 30 mins, I'd use a recorder.
Run&Gun
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE having cards that give me an hour plus to two hours or more each and not having to worry about running out and swapping tapes, etc. It's a huge convenience. I used to hate carrying a spare Beta tape around in my hip pack with a spare 5.5lb battery(even the small DVCProHD tapes sucked). Now I have one battery on the camera that weighs probably three pounds max and goes all day and a couple of cards in the camera can that record for like four to five hours. I do wish producer would build-in some breaks every 30-45 mins for interviews, now, though.
That "rabbit-skin" reminds me of a joke... "How do you reuse a condom? Turn it inside out and shake the f u c k out of it."
Hey, kids, get off my green screen!
Ah, seriously, knowing how "coordinated" the camera manufacturers are, when one jumps, they all jump. C300MKIII is a pretty decent jump too, especially accounting its opening price point. Panasonic's S1H free 5.9K ProRes Raw upgrade is nice as well.
Bassman2003
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I am kind of over the whole camera upgrade cycle thing. I am excited to be able to consolidate most if not all of my work to one system. I have come to grips with the 30 min limit with the easy work around being to use a recording monitor with an XLR input. I always use a monitor anyway. The monitor will probably be close to the cost of the high spec cards in the end. I can use my existing EF glass, buy used specialty EF glass and also pick up some RF money lenses. Very flexible for stills and video with a two body setup.
I think the excitement is because many of us have been waiting for this a long time from Canon. From a different perspective, I couldn't care less about the C-series cameras. But is that either here or there? No.
I think the excitement is because many of us have been waiting for this a long time from Canon. From a different perspective, I couldn't care less about the C-series cameras. But is that either here or there? No.
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Jaime Valles
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This is exactly my reasoning for wanting to use the R5 for video. I can probably fit 3 of them in the space that one C100 takes up in my camera case. I don't need the new RF lenses, because all my EF lenses will work perfectly with the adapter. And I get IBIS, DPAF done right (like the 1DX Mark III) and the option to shoot 8K Raw when needed. If there's no 30 minute video recording limit I can use 3 of them to record theatrical events without dealing with external recorders.