Canon R5 Announced with 8k

yoclay said:
Well, do you really want a telescoping 70-200 lens for example ? I don't see that as a move forward for shooting video, even though it is smaller and lighter.
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That's what I dislike about the otherwise awesome 100-400L. I'd rather have a larger 'constant volume' lens.
 
The galaxy do 8K 30P I believe and it does not have any vents,
I remember comparing the 4K30 on the Note 3 and the 1DC in 2013 haha

If one do not need to run and gun, a BMPC 6K is better than the 1DX3 and by the time they release the R5, BMD will have a BMPC8k with 8K60P raw at $3k-3.5K or a URSA 8K.

As for the A7S3 it will not use the sensor from A9, Sony just give u 8K30P again with no crop and a 40M sensor probably Raw output( if Atmos have something for it).

If the R5 do not have 2x CFexpress, it will be a repeat of 1DX2, just a one slot camera with a relative useless slot especially for video or high-res still.
 
cookinghusband said:
...by the time they release the R5, BMD will have a BMPC8k with 8K60P raw at $3k-3.5K.
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I don't even think they would need to go all the way to 8K, even if that is a strong marketing point. If I could have Grant's ear on how to iterate on the P6K I'd tell him:

  • Make a FF cut of the 4.5 S35 sensor. This gives you 6.5K full frame.
  • Move to the RF mount.
  • Upgrade all buttons and seals to 'pro camera' level, as far as possible.
  • Move to CFexpress
  • Consider moving to slightly larger, but not Vmount, battery. Something that fits in a large handle a la 1Dx mkIII.
  • Don't feel boxed in by the 'Pocket' name.

Using a known, older sensor keeps costs down and limits number of surprises. It's good enough. Most of the others stuff is usability related.

I really like the P6K, but half a day on Miami Beach and you notice that it's not a camera built to withstand the elements.
 
cookinghusband said:
The galaxy do 8K 30P I believe and it does not have any vents,
I remember comparing the 4K30 on the Note 3 and the 1DC in 2013 haha

If one do not need to run and gun, a BMPC 6K is better than the 1DX3 and by the time they release the R5, BMD will have a BMPC8k with 8K60P raw at $3k-3.5K or a URSA 8K.

As for the A7S3 it will not use the sensor from A9, Sony just give u 8K30P again with no crop and a 40M sensor probably Raw output( if Atmos have something for it).

If the R5 do not have 2x CFexpress, it will be a repeat of 1DX2, just a one slot camera with a relative useless slot especially for video or high-res still.
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S20 Ultra does 8K up to 24P, with a 1:1 readout, so huge crop and massive rolling shutter.
 
AndreeOnline said:
I don't even think they would need to go all the way to 8K, even if that is a strong marketing point. If I could have Grant's ear on how to iterate on the P6K I'd tell him:

  • Make a FF cut of the 4.5 S35 sensor. This gives you 6.5K full frame.
  • Move to the RF mount.
  • Upgrade all buttons and seals to 'pro camera' level, as far as possible.
  • Move to CFexpress
  • Consider moving to slightly larger, but not Vmount, battery. Something that fits in a large handle a la 1Dx mkIII.
  • Don't feel boxed in by the 'Pocket' name.

Using a known, older sensor keeps costs down and limits number of surprises. It's good enough. Most of the others stuff is usability related.

I really like the P6K, but half a day on Miami Beach and you notice that it's not a camera built to withstand the elements.
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While you are speaking with Grant, please tell him the include a viewfinder for that beach shoot! I can't stand the big LCD approach...
 
Bassman2003 said:
While you are speaking with Grant, please tell him the include a viewfinder for that beach shoot! I can't stand the big LCD approach...
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In an earlier post from months back, I think I went into some of the agony of using the LCD when shooting in the Alps in the snow. It simply wasn't possible.

For a while now, I've been using a factory sample of Kinotehnik's LCDVF for the P6K. <I was just going to write that it isn't out yet, but now it is>.

And for the way I like to use the camera—on a monopod, no external nothing, but with the magnetic LCDVF BM5—it changed the game.

Suddenly, I can set the LCD to a low brightness setting that will remain constant. This quickly calibrates my expectation of what I see on the screen with the basic LUT and what I will actually record, while saving some power. It also mean that in many cases (but not all) the lack of AF is irrelevant. Thanks to the large screen and my sealed off view of it, it's easy to focus. An exception is following objects moving to/from me at longer focal lengths. I tried shooting runners at the Miami marathon with a 70-200mm running towards me, but it was very hard keeping them in focus—even if I gave myself some time to calibrate. The lens needs very small adjustments for focus and it's hard to say if I'm over or under compensating when runners inevitably end up OOF.

The viewfinder and a new approach to handling the footage (familiarising myself with the Cut page in DaVinci) has made the camera much more fun to use.
 
AndreeOnline said:
I don't even think they would need to go all the way to 8K, even if that is a strong marketing point. If I could have Grant's ear on how to iterate on the P6K I'd tell him:

  • Make a FF cut of the 4.5 S35 sensor. This gives you 6.5K full frame.
  • Move to the RF mount.
  • Upgrade all buttons and seals to 'pro camera' level, as far as possible.
  • Move to CFexpress
  • Consider moving to slightly larger, but not Vmount, battery. Something that fits in a large handle a la 1Dx mkIII.
  • Don't feel boxed in by the 'Pocket' name.

Using a known, older sensor keeps costs down and limits number of surprises. It's good enough. Most of the others stuff is usability related.

I really like the P6K, but half a day on Miami Beach and you notice that it's not a camera built to withstand the elements.
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I would add, they are missing an entire market by lack of a usable AF system. If necessary, license it from another manufacturer. The lack of AF
is the only thing making many people buy mirrorless hybrids over the PCCs. I don't even use my X-T3 for stills, its a video camera for me.
 
puredrifting said:
I would add, they are missing an entire market by lack of a usable AF system.
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I would agree of course. it's just that I haven't seen anything from BMD that suggests that they are close to brining that to the market, so I didn't feel it was a natural iteration.*

But just as RED has something brewing in the Komodo, it might be that BMD just launches something all of a sudden, and it includes AF.


* = the other things I feel are well within their comfort zone and skillset.
 
I like the magnetic release approach. Looks like a great addition for the Pocket camera. I have a Carryspeed version of one of these for my 5DMKIII. Being able to add or remove quickly is nice as the older ones have a screw on mount.
 
Ken1212 said:
Canon Rep. interview
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Canon Rep: "So it will have 8K recording, full sensor readout..."
Interviewer: "Mmhmm"
Canon Rep: "At up to 30 fps"
Interviewer: "WOW!"

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The infö about 8K and full readout was actually public, since Canon has articles about it themselves. But listening to this I get the feeling Canon is going out of their way to not mention other, very video relevant features such as recording codec and picture profile.

I'm almost prepared to call it: AVC level 6.1 @480Mbps. 8bit, no Log.

Then it makes more sense: the uncharacteristically early leak/info about FF 8K. Because 8K FF in 8bit and no Log makes it a good YouTube sensation, but is no competition—or threat— to Canon's more serious offerings.

Canon will talk about how exciting 8K is and how expressive FF is. Further, they will point out how appreciated the flip screen and responsive AF is for "a new generation of film mak... erh... content creators" that understand to value an image that needs little correction in this day and age of fast turn around times and instant publishing.
 
the 8K video is just a sales and marketing thing because it puts them in specs over Nikon, Sony, Panasonic and Leica. At least on paper. That's it. It will have no real life impact on any professional filmmaker. It's a stills camera with limited video function.
 
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AndreeOnline said:
Canon Rep: "So it will have 8K recording, full sensor readout..."
Interviewer: "Mmhmm"
Canon Rep: "At up to 30 fps"
Interviewer: "WOW!"

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The infö about 8K and full readout was actually public, since Canon has articles about it themselves. But listening to this I get the feeling Canon is going out of their way to not mention other, very video relevant features such as recording codec and picture profile.

I'm almost prepared to call it: AVC level 6.1 @480Mbps. 8bit, no Log.

Then it makes more sense: the uncharacteristically early leak/info about FF 8K. Because 8K FF in 8bit and no Log makes it a good YouTube sensation, but is no competition—or threat— to Canon's more serious offerings.

Canon will talk about how exciting 8K is and how expressive FF is. Further, they will point out how appreciated the flip screen and responsive AF is for "a new generation of film mak... erh... content creators" that understand to value an image that needs little correction in this day and age of fast turn around times and instant publishing.
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It'll be 10bit H.265/HEVC.
 
8k is 8k, whatever that represents to folks. The real spec I am watching is the 4k and 1080p codecs. If they are 10bit 4:2:2 or not. The lack of a crop is exciting which would cancel out even a 30 min limit in some respects. (I had read the EU tax no longer exists, so maybe this is a thing of the past). Since the camera is set for a summer release, I am not shocked that they did not 'spill the beans' on the video specs. I think Canon wanted to answer the nay sayers which were questioning the implementation of 8k in general. The is a foot stomp saying, "oh yah, we are for real".

It will be interesting but the world lockdown might delay the release a bit.
 
Bassman2003 said:
8k is 8k, whatever that represents to folks.
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C'mon, now... Is your argument over raw resolution numbers or that one 8K image is as good as another 8K image? Because there are cell phones that shoot 8K, now, but they're not gonna look like an 8K image shot with a RED. My iPhone shoots 4K, but it doesn't look like an Alexa 65 or even my F55.
 
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