General Canon mirrorless...the doors are now open
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GioCanales
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I agree.
Agreed. It's well past time for Canon to make a stronger effort on the video side of their DSLRs.
The demo footage seems to be more detailed than the 7d and rebels. even though its not full HD I can usually tell the difference at 720p. It could just be an illusion though. Either canon has done nothing with the video on the 650d and has concentrated on video processing in this new line, or they have worked carefully to make the footage look good. de-noised it, sharpened it and displayed it at a resolution that makes it look really detailed. I'm really hoping it's the former.
GioCanales
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I would't thrust any demo footage from Canon, I rather wait for an outsider to do the testing job.
Paul V Doherty
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FINALLY!!!!!
This gives us great hope that we will see Canon release a large sensor, short mount, HV20-style manual control prosumer camcorder in the next 6-12 months
As a Nikon user I'm very pleased with Canon's short mount - no doubt there are already people developing Nikon adaptors.
This gives us great hope that we will see Canon release a large sensor, short mount, HV20-style manual control prosumer camcorder in the next 6-12 months
As a Nikon user I'm very pleased with Canon's short mount - no doubt there are already people developing Nikon adaptors.
gonzo_entertainment
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Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see improvements too, but seriously, they totally DOMINATE the market. They must be doing something right.
I have zero interest unless it's EF mount.
ROCKMORE
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Canon wants to sell a new generation a new set of lenses. Too bad if it doesn't have an EF mount, but they are in the business to make money first, satisfying customers second. For me Canon is still the best to make money with low cost high IQ gear, but for the money I'd rather have a 2nd EOS body in the bag as a b cam.
The crowd isn't always right.
Samuel H
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* Canon will sell you a very nice adapter so you can use all your EF lenses with their M cameras (just like Sony does with E and A)
* I don't need a mirror for anything, and having a shorter focal flange distance has great advantages, so I welcome this new mount
* for stills, I think mirrorless is the future (just compare these two and you'll get an idea of the very different economics: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/undressing-an-nex http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/d7000-dissection) - but it seems like the new M mount is too small to house a fullframe sensor (the electrical connectors don't leave enough space), so Canon will have to create a new mount for that - silly move
* Nikon 1 is even sillier, but Nikon already has something better in the pipeline: a mirrorless camera with APS-C sensor (they patented a kit lens for that camera a few weeks back)
* I don't need a mirror for anything, and having a shorter focal flange distance has great advantages, so I welcome this new mount
* for stills, I think mirrorless is the future (just compare these two and you'll get an idea of the very different economics: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/undressing-an-nex http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/d7000-dissection) - but it seems like the new M mount is too small to house a fullframe sensor (the electrical connectors don't leave enough space), so Canon will have to create a new mount for that - silly move
* Nikon 1 is even sillier, but Nikon already has something better in the pipeline: a mirrorless camera with APS-C sensor (they patented a kit lens for that camera a few weeks back)
cpc
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Not really. They will be much more balanced on a larger (SLR or videocam) body. Mating a 1kg L lens with a 200g body is an abomination.
Besides, you don't target a small camera towards owners of large lenses. You target it towards people who want small systems (body + lens).
Also, a mirrorless with an EF mount needs to be at least 5 cm thick to accommodate the EF mount flange distance. Kinda beats the purpose.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
A mirrorless mount is not only for small cameras like the EOS-M, it's also what you'd want for interchangeable lens video cameras with a bigger body, because there's no use for a mirror, and being able to adapt nearly any lens you want is a plus. But you need to have one of these ready at launch, so Rockmore can use his EF glass:
cpc
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I am talking form-factor. That's why I explicitly mentioned "videocam" (which the new Canon is not) as good form-factor for large lenses. The same way "small camera" is a bad form-factor for large lenses.
Of course, there is the C300 EF mount (mirrorless) videocamera with the right form-factor. Sony have shown with the FS cameras (and Pana with the AF100) that there is much to like in a short flange distance mount video camera.
"Mirrorless" and "SLR" only matter to photographers. "Small camera" is much more universal.
On the other hand, "small camera" (which is awesome for a myriad of purposes) practically and theoretically is mutually exclusive with "EF mount". And while I couldn't care less if my camera has a mirror, I do care tremendously about size. As do almost all users of mirrorless photo cameras. Which makes a potential mirrorless EF-mount Canon photo camera a pointless exercise in camera design.
Of course, there is the C300 EF mount (mirrorless) videocamera with the right form-factor. Sony have shown with the FS cameras (and Pana with the AF100) that there is much to like in a short flange distance mount video camera.
"Mirrorless" and "SLR" only matter to photographers. "Small camera" is much more universal.
On the other hand, "small camera" (which is awesome for a myriad of purposes) practically and theoretically is mutually exclusive with "EF mount". And while I couldn't care less if my camera has a mirror, I do care tremendously about size. As do almost all users of mirrorless photo cameras. Which makes a potential mirrorless EF-mount Canon photo camera a pointless exercise in camera design.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
On the FS100 and AF100, I don't see a lot of advantage from having a mirrorless mount with short focal flange distance, apart from the fact that you can adapt a lot more lenses. Add 25mm of mount in front of them, and they stay basically the same. OTOH, with the BMC this would be totally different (plus you really need the short focal flange to be able to adapt lenses designed for its smaller sensor). Same for a stills camera: I've had the Pentax K-01 in my hands, and it feels like a huge monster compared to the 5N, which has very similar internals but uses a short-focal-flange mount.
David W. Jones
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Not really. They will be much more balanced on a larger (SLR or videocam) body. Mating a 1kg L lens with a 200g body is an abomination.
Besides, you don't target a small camera towards owners of large lenses. You target it towards people who want small systems (body + lens).
Also, a mirrorless with an EF mount needs to be at least 5 cm thick to accommodate the EF mount flange distance. Kinda beats the purpose.
What?
So I guess putting an Optimo 24-290 on an Epic would be an abomination as well?
cpc
Well-known member
If you could put the Epic in your shirt pocket, yes, it would be...
Samuel H said:
You can not only adapt lots of lenses on these. You can also use tilt adapters, which is a cool extra.
The BMC will most likely get a m43 version.
Your point with the K-01 is exactly what I mean. You can certainly remove the mirror from an SLR and make a mirrorless with the same mount but it will still be a bulky camera.
This is also my gripe with Sony. They have great sensors and great bodies with the NEX series, yet their lenses are unproportionally huge. All the NEX series need is a 20-50/f4 small zoom. Instead, Sony (like all manufacturers) have a stupid fixation on 18-55mm zooms...
If Samsung NX cameras could mount old rangefinder lenses, I wouldn't even bother with the alternatives. Samsung have both great pancakes and a compact zoom.
Samuel H
Major Contributor
One related problem that I've found is that even if my primes for Canon EF are small, once you add the adapter, they look huge on the NEX, even bigger than the kit zoom. So, to make my NEX-5N nearly-pocketable (which is nice to have on occasion), I got the Sigma 30mm f/2.8 and 19mm f/2.8. I'll be playing with them next couple of weeks. I already know they're cheap, small and sharp lenses, but have no idea about anything else, including bokeh. http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/04/nex-7-lens-imatest-resolution-comparison