Canon Eos One 4K video camera - and Jackie Chan

I think Jim's point about a drone camera makes sense.
But I like the general direction of the DSLRish, dedicated video unit.
If it were full frame with an EF mount, it looks a lot like a lot of us hoped the 5D3 would look.

So maybe they'll actually release a 5D4 in this form factor with a solid codec.
 
Jim Martin said:
I don't think your price point is realistic at this time (maybe a year from now). I expect some really cool things at NAB and many of your requests could be answered but I'm not sure about $5K. Canon has a history of delivering very good products that exceed the actual spec sheet. They have done over 3 years of interviews across the board and across the country/world to find out how they can make the C300 better. They do charge a premium but they deliver a premium product that works right out of the box with no operational or esthetic (picture) issues . Sony's FS7 is probably priced about $2K lower than it should be but they built that camera to beat the C300 and it's massive sales and success...but one never knows....take the JVC LS 300 (which are on the way to us for delivery next week) for example. I was on an NDA for a year and a half for the LS and, at the time, was led to believe that it was going to sell for somewhere between $5-6K which is where it belonged based on what was out there at the time. Lo and behold, it shows up for $4K with a free lens or adapter!

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Yeah, it might not be realistic as far as what canon will do. Maybe Panasonic will make an AF200? A 10-bit gh4 in an af100 body with vlog for around that price? Another thing everyone would buy...

I think one of the majors will make a camera that will be mostly perfect like the dvx100 was back in the day. They will make tons of money and us indie types will fall in love with them. Maybe it will be blackmagic? I don't know but I think it's realistic for it to happen this year or next.
 
Would have to see more specs and pricing, but it has to pack a bunch to compete with the samsung NX500 in my opinion. The samsung is priced at $800, has 4k, APS-C sensor and comes with a 16-55mm lens, interchangeable lens mount. Weighs just under a 1lb with lens. Strong focusing system with different speed options for rack focus which you can do using the touch screen. Here is a low light video test for the NX1 which uses the same sensor and looks really good specially in 4k followed by another video discussing features and menu.



Video featuring menu and focusing system

 
flinty said:
A 10x zoom is no good for wildlife which is my main thing,the FZ1000 i have does 1184mm with i zoom,obviously zoomed in at that amount 4K is nowhere as sharp as wide angle but useable,i am prepaired to pay for another top camera /camcorder but there is little if any choice.A zoom lens is a must for me,what lens on the Sony F7 could give reasonable wide and long reach,i hope canon dont leave it too long to enter 4K seriously.
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I have a C300. For wildlife, I don't want to frequently change lenses. At one moment, I may be trying to get the leopard up on tree at a distance and the other moment trying to focus on the elephant close to the vehicle. Changing lens in the field is tough. Dust goes in and you also lose vital time. So one such fixed lens camera or anything cheap that can shoot wide would help. Yes, it would be another camera apart from my main C300.

This kind of camera would also be helpful for documentaries or situations where you can move in close or place it somewhere without brining in much of that unwarranted attention. Just imagine you are in a festival with large gathering. With such a camera you can easily mingle in the crowd and get the shots. The Go Pro is too wide for such situations. Its been five years since Canon had shown that mock up of a fixed lens camera in their show. Hopefully it will materialise.

At times, I specifically go out with a wide angle lens, to challenge my creativity. Too often we use a particular camera, lens (focal length) and it becomes monotonous. So you need one such camera fixed lens in the bag.

My personal challenge is whether I can milk 100% out of a camera. Today's cameras are so good, if one can extract all the juice out of it, then he/she can create worldclass work.

PS: On another note, I am now studying Akira Kurosawa movies. Yesterday I watched Yojimbo again. There is nothing in that movie, which cannot be shot with such a fixed lens camera.
 
indiawilds said:
I have a C300. For wildlife, I don't want to frequently change lenses. At one moment, I may be trying to get the leopard up on tree at a distance and the other moment trying to focus on the elephant close to the vehicle. Changing lens in the field is tough. Dust goes in and you also lose vital time. So one such fixed lens camera or anything cheap that can shoot wide would help. Yes, it would be another camera apart from my main C300.

This kind of camera would also be helpful for documentaries or situations where you can move in close or place it somewhere without brining in much of that unwarranted attention. Just imagine you are in a festival with large gathering. With such a camera you can easily mingle in the crowd and get the shots. The Go Pro is too wide for such situations. Its been five years since Canon had shown that mock up of a fixed lens camera in their show. Hopefully it will materialise.

At times, I specifically go out with a wide angle lens, to challenge my creativity. Too often we use a particular camera, lens (focal length) and it becomes monotonous. So you need one such camera fixed lens in the bag.

My personal challenge is whether I can milk 100% out of a camera. Today's cameras are so good, if one can extract all the juice out of it, then he/she can create worldclass work.

PS: On another note, I am now studying Akira Kurosawa movies. Yesterday I watched Yojimbo again. There is nothing in that movie, which cannot be shot with such a fixed lens camera.
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So we are agreed then.This is the kind of stuff i play around with
https://vimeo.com/120353211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKafE-auBo
A fixed lens is a must for me,some of the shots were at 1184mm and changing lenses would not be an option,i would pay 5 times the price for a better cam/camera but as i see it there is no alternative at present,the sound and AF are pretty poor on the FZ1000,the Sony F7 looks very good but what lens could i use,of interest what lens do you use on your C300 when long and zoomed content is involved.
 
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Fahnon said:
I agree with you actually. The reason I use my real name (Fahnon Bennett) is because I hate the anonymity of the net. I would actually love it if Canon were to ask me why I said what I said and why I have been personally frustrated as a professional using their gear for the last couple of years. And for the record I would say no thanks to a canon rep directly if I thought I would actually be granted a chance to make my case as to why I would love it if they went in another direction.
Like someone said over on the nofilmschool comments, I love the Canon color science; I just wish they would make a camera that was for me and people like me, which pretty much means a 4k internal CLog 10bit C300 for $5k.

Make that and everyone will buy it.

Everyone.
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You can't get that camera for $5k right now. Don't be ridiculous. Canon sold and sells a ton of C300s, it's still one of the top cameras in the market right now. Don't cry because you want a $10k+ camera for half the price.

That's like saying...I wish BMW would make a car that was for me, and people like me. A fully-loaded 5-series for $20k.
 
flinty said:
So we are agreed then.This is the kind of stuff i play around with
https://vimeo.com/120353211
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKafE-auBo
A fixed lens is a must for me,some of the shots were at 1184mm and changing lenses would not be an option,i would pay 5 times the price for a better cam/camera but as i see it there is no alternative at present,the sound and AF are pretty poor on the FZ1000,the Sony F7 looks very good but what lens could i use,of interest what lens do you use on your C300 when long and zoomed content is involved.
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Earlier the wildlife documentaries were with small sensor cameras, so reach as well as dof was good. Now with S35 sensors, it is not easy to get such focal lengths. I primarily use 400 f2.8IS with 2x TC, 800mm with 1.4x for tele work. It involves changing TCs. I am going to buy the 200-400 f4 IS with built-in 1.4x. However, that can give 560mm at the max and ofcourse you can still use a TC, but quality drops. I have other lenses like 100-400, 70-200 f2.8 IS II etc So I quickly change focal lengths when needed. To sum up, you can't get 1200mm focal length just like that to mate with cameras like C300 or FS7.

I saw your otter shots in the link. The quality with C300/FS7 etc would be better however, you have to either move in close, use hide or use a long lens. With the existing camera you can try a better tripod. The sound recorded to the camera appear to be noisy. Sound recorded externally in a different recorder and using it in post would be better. I hope it helps.
 
Needs vary..but one less noted advantage of a fixed lens is ability of camera electronics to be optimized for it.
 
indiawilds said:
Earlier the wildlife documentaries were with small sensor cameras, so reach as well as dof was good. Now with S35 sensors, it is not easy to get such focal lengths. I primarily use 400 f2.8IS with 2x TC, 800mm with 1.4x for tele work. It involves changing TCs. I am going to buy the 200-400 f4 IS with built-in 1.4x. However, that can give 560mm at the max and ofcourse you can still use a TC, but quality drops. I have other lenses like 100-400, 70-200 f2.8 IS II etc So I quickly change focal lengths when needed. To sum up, you can't get 1200mm focal length just like that to mate with cameras like C300 or FS7.

I saw your otter shots in the link. The quality with C300/FS7 etc would be better however, you have to either move in close, use hide or use a long lens. With the existing camera you can try a better tripod. The sound recorded to the camera appear to be noisy. Sound recorded externally in a different recorder and using it in post would be better. I hope it helps.
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Thanks for the tips,but most of the suggestions are sadly not pracical for me,the sound of the FZ1000 is bad, what is on that film is prerecorded FZ1000 from other locations, music or dowloaded material would have been better,the otters where i film cover large distances feeding this was a one of the very few days where they stayed in the same location,so usualy staying in a hide would meen getting a few clips before they move and they are always the other side of the river,due to some health issues a large heavy tripod is not on but if there are any good quality medium sized i am interested.The lens on the FZ1000 is fixed, i see you mention the C300 & FS7 regarding Performance but the FS7 has 4K 60/60P which is a lot higher than the C300s 1920x1080P i have owned top quality HD cams in the past and even the picture qualityof my cheap 4K FZ1000 is better imo,Good luck.
 
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traviswears said:
You can't get that camera for $5k right now. Don't be ridiculous. Canon sold and sells a ton of C300s, it's still one of the top cameras in the market right now. Don't cry because you want a $10k+ camera for half the price.

That's like saying...I wish BMW would make a car that was for me, and people like me. A fully-loaded 5-series for $20k.
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It absolutely is not ridiculous, its ambitious. The af100 was about $5k at release. I'm saying throw the gh4 sensor, which currently sells in a $1,800 body, into a different body that was about $5k. The fs7 and the blackmagic URSA do high speed 4k in-body and are $8k and $6k respectively. Hell the URSA even does raw internally for that price.

If your point is that Panasonic won't do it because market conditions will allow them to maximize profits by charging more to a market that will pay up, fine, but the idea that a camera spec'd as I described HAS to cost $10k is just wrong.

The reason Canon sells for that much is because they're canon and have the name to command that price. Not to me, but obviously to a lot of people. Look back to the release of the c300 and again to the c100 and you'll see a wave of comments saying the cameras were overpriced for the specs they had. And that's even more true today.
 
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Professional cameras are priced based upon their ability to make income in the targeted market. Basically priced on the value they bring to the purchaser. A C300 might look under-spec'ed but I bet there has been a lot more money made with C300s than with all of the other lower priced cameras you mentioned combined. So the C300 package is a better value if you do that kind of work.

The pro camera makers have always know their market and priced the cameras accordingly. It is only in recent times that more consumer driven cameras have bubbled up and altered this market for better or for worse. From a long range I would say for worse. As it becomes cheaper and cheaper to make better and better images, careers get that much more marginalized. So yes, the indie filmmaker now can shoot high bitrate 4K but things turn into a commodity.

No, I am not for overpriced gear but you must see the balance. As a working pro, I want to be able to make images that "normal" people can not. That is a start of job security in the freelance world. I do not care if my cameras cost a lot as long as I can make enough with them to be profitable. If every camera costs $1,000 I do not see a lot profit going forward over the long term. Just human nature. "Good enough" will take over even more that it already has or your "pro" rates will be questioned as your overhead is much lower... I do not want to lead the rush to the bottom. Just my 2 cents as I see more and more of this talk of uber specs with low price tags.
 
A low level of cometition in the camera market can support that, but if a new player comes in with good products and a lower price, Canon can only adjust their prices, fight on a different front (marketing and brand perception, usability, unique features, etc), or fade away. The C300 seems to have been very succesful on the usability front.

On the "cheaper equipment turns you into a commodity and hurt your income" debate, I tend to think it's not like that. Right now, talent makes the difference, not equipment, and that's a good thing. Lower prices hurt untalented people who had the money to buy expensive cameras, and help talented people who can only afford the cheap cameras. And I think that's good.
Now, the fact that everybody can learn how to shoot great images easily and cheaply (among other things, by reading stuff here on dvxuser), together with the lower price of cameras, that can have a significant effect. But keeping away the newbies is just not an option anymore.
 
Canon has lenses - in the AF mode - than only Nikon can match and Nikon is sitting out the 2K-to-4K transition so far (a compact J5 may be announced soon) and that's why they can charge premium prices for their consumer/prosumer/pro bodies. Has Sony matched Canikon on reasonably priced zooms, their A7's would sell a lot more than they have.

The video portion of the MFT market could flex its muscles once Olympus jumps into fray, as they have a very well respected lens lineup, but they are waiting for the 4K ILC market to come down to the sub-$1,500 range.

I expect Nikon, Olympus and perhaps Fuji to have 4K models by early 2016.

And "mo' bettah tools' is a plus for everyone - more resolution, better DR, higher bit rate, greater capacity media, more powerful PC's, etc. Look at it from the music industry retrospective. Everything changed when Fender introduced their guitars and amps in the late 40's-early 50's. Prior to that, it was dominated by the big bands playing brass instruments. The big bands were then replaced by 3-4 dudes or dudettes making noise electronically. We know it as the rock era. This will be known as the digital era. And, after that, there'll be something else too.
 
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