C500: Canon C700 Announced.

No you wouldn't Sam, you'd have a focus puller.

This camera is aimed at cinema and episodic TV. Apart from a few exceptions few people use AF lenses on those types of productions.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Why are people comparing this camera to the Amira or the Alexa Mini when neither is a native 4K camera? Netflix, Amazon and others are requiring 4K origination and delivery for the content they produce, and those ARRI cameras are specifically deemed not acceptable unless given a special waiver. The C700 is a 4K camera, so it is a different beast. Compare it to the VariCamLT and the F55, but don't confuse markets. It may not make a difference for the work you do, but it certainly effects others.
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Correct about Netflix. Not correct about Amazon, afaik. The blacks in the Alexa are cleaner so still the preferred choice for HDR, 4K or not.

Back to C700: Is there any RAW out anywhere that Convergent Design can use? Or did Codex get their usual exclusive deal where Convergent Design and others get shut out? Given Canon's RAW over 3G SDI strategy for monitoring 4K, I would assume Canon would try to maintain some RAW out? But Codex might have nixed it...? Mitch?
 
Liam Hall said:
No you wouldn't Sam, you'd have a focus puller.

This camera is aimed at cinema and episodic TV. Apart from a few exceptions few people use AF lenses on those types of productions.
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yep A Nike advert was a bad example - the fa maybe or a prem club - the sort of jobs where pumping out stacks of "cinematic" reality content at a high level is the job

i started off In the early 90s doing footy stills on my manual 300 2.8 and it just came to the point where the hit rate with AF just took over - manual just became untenable for sport by about 1995

for once I'm with Mr Boyle :)
 
I believe one of the 3G SDI ports still send out 10 bit 30P raw. With the Codex connection you get 12 bit raw at a higher frame rate. I haven't had my hands on a working model. Will report back when I do.
 
Jim Martin said:
You are looking at specs regarding the Ursa & the Terra, both quite new at the camera making game. There have been a fair amount of issues with the Ursa (magenta, FNP) and the Terra is not really even out yet. You are referring to body pricing without looking at a fully functional price. The Ursa cannot hold a candle to the Canon low light capability which translates into big savings in lighting alone....every time you shoot. As history tells us, the Raven will be much more money once you add all the needed parts. RED has done a great job growing, learning and implementing improvements from their start with the RED 1.
When I use the word delusional, it is directed at people who are working with a DSLR budget or expectations and expect $15,000 to $50,000 camera features to be sold for DSLR prices.

Jim Martin
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I don't expect those features, but I'd like them. Or some of them. Or at least the nice form factor.

Way over my budget to buy, maybe not to rent. And I think many feel the same way. Especially Canon 300 users, etc.
 
Jim Martin said:
You are looking at specs regarding the Ursa & the Terra, both quite new at the camera making game. .. Jim Martin
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However, Red Raven is from an established company (albeit with quirks at many levels) that has a comparable shooting package for about one third of the C700 price and, off the early comparisons, I (poisenally) actually prefer the Raven images. And, with Red Raw being a familiar territory for many a producer, that C700 10-bit ProRes may not cut the mustard either.
 
Parrot said:
Correct about Netflix. Not correct about Amazon, afaik. The blacks in the Alexa are cleaner so still the preferred choice for HDR, 4K or not.

Back to C700: Is there any RAW out anywhere that Convergent Design can use? Or did Codex get their usual exclusive deal where Convergent Design and others get shut out? Given Canon's RAW over 3G SDI strategy for monitoring 4K, I would assume Canon would try to maintain some RAW out? But Codex might have nixed it...? Mitch?
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Convergent Design has not committed to supporting C700 RAW at this time. We are not "shut out," but we have not announced support for this camera. We have a long historical relationship with Canon.
 
NorBro said:
Has this been posted yet?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=60&v=_MeEKCYvApM

What do you think?
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It's almost the same color science you would find in a Canon still camera. It look 85% like the output you'd get with a 5D MkIII with ML raw + lower noise.

I could simply not be more unimpressed by it. Canon tried to reinvent its taste for color with C300/C100 but that did not work for the analog cinema taste and only for traumatic docu work and so now they're back to still photography... good grief.

C700 is what 5D MkIV should have been minus the HFR.
 
Mitch Gross said:
Convergent Design has not committed to supporting C700 RAW at this time. We are not "shut out," but we have not announced support for this camera. We have a long historical relationship with Canon.
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So, reading between the lines, Canon is tied to Codex on C700. Or, at least, they are for the time being.

IMO, it makes sense for them, since the camera does the internal ProRes anyway. If I were CD, I'd be more peeved at Canon that 5D MKIV doesn't have 4K external recording because that model will move a lot of boxes.

Oh, well, maybe there's a C200 on the way.
 
Makrofag said:
I could simply not be more unimpressed by it.
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Same here.

DLD said:
However, Red Raven is from an established company (albeit with quirks at many levels) that has a comparable shooting package for about one third of the C700 price and, off the early comparisons, I (poisenally) actually prefer the Raven images. And, with Red Raw being a familiar territory for many a producer, that C700 10-bit ProRes may not cut the mustard either.
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RED Raven any day.

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Just another thing I'd like to mention - and I'm not here to argue - is that the body is over 90% of the cost for many of us. You don't need thousands of dollars of accessories.

I've owned the URSA 4K and the KineMINI 4K and I did not spend more than an additional $1000 for accessories. I had two batteries and one card. I swapped and dumped in the field. Of course this not possible for many professional productions, but just saying. (Not counting lenses as accessories.)

I am pretty simple though and get by with very little.
 
DLD said:
C700 is billed as a 'flagship" camera, so there won't be another Canon product with better specs and lower numbers. If the 8K camera comes out, it'll be C900 or something in that vein. Maybe it'll even go up to eleven (hundred).
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The C700 is the flaship camera now. But it might be different in a year or so, whenever Canon brings 8K.
 
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