Allan Black
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Yep looks great nice lens too .. thanks. Enthused enough to buy a 2nd one ?
Cheers.
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Canon C300 has landed in Canada
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Alpha Beta Omega
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Thanks for sharing. Looks really good especially the indoor shots with the outside in the background.
Now, this is why I don't get mad at this footage even costing $20K. That image quality its 'priceless'.
I don't want to divert this great thread, but I feel unfortunate at what Red has done to some people's minds, that its all about specs and not image quality. The specs is what comes out into public, but the secret chemistry, the codes and the algorithms that make or break an image are never considered. And this is where its obvious that a camera with seemingly 'weak' specs, proves that it isn't so. The image its stellar.
At the time Alexa came out, there was only the Red One, 4K and Raw, Alexa had none of those, but we all know how that turned out!
I don't want to divert this great thread, but I feel unfortunate at what Red has done to some people's minds, that its all about specs and not image quality. The specs is what comes out into public, but the secret chemistry, the codes and the algorithms that make or break an image are never considered. And this is where its obvious that a camera with seemingly 'weak' specs, proves that it isn't so. The image its stellar.
At the time Alexa came out, there was only the Red One, 4K and Raw, Alexa had none of those, but we all know how that turned out!
The day of the announcements (and in the heat of the moment) I was very close to almost put a deposit for the Scarlet...I'm glad I didn't. I'm sure the new Red will be a fantastic camera, but thinking about it more calmly and with a bit more perspective I believe the Canon might suit my needs better. Seeing this new test footage is making me more excited.
It's easy to get carried away by specs (I did), but those alone are only part of the story. I'm sure a lot of the people in this forum use Apple hardware, none of which tends to have the highest specs compared to the competition - it's the performance and user experience of Apple products that consumers seem to love. The C300 may not have the beautiful looks of an Apple device, but Canon seem to have taken a similar approach when it comes down to specs and performance by refining current standard technology that delivers superb images. I'm not 100% convinced yet (the lack of 10bit still bothers me) but I'm happy to listen and be persuaded. Nigel A's footage helps immensely. Thanks for posting.
It's easy to get carried away by specs (I did), but those alone are only part of the story. I'm sure a lot of the people in this forum use Apple hardware, none of which tends to have the highest specs compared to the competition - it's the performance and user experience of Apple products that consumers seem to love. The C300 may not have the beautiful looks of an Apple device, but Canon seem to have taken a similar approach when it comes down to specs and performance by refining current standard technology that delivers superb images. I'm not 100% convinced yet (the lack of 10bit still bothers me) but I'm happy to listen and be persuaded. Nigel A's footage helps immensely. Thanks for posting.
vincent thomas
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Someone said the mfx is available somewhere? Do you know where i could find it by chance?
J Davis
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.mxf not .mfx
I posted a link to one at iso 16,000 at post #9 of this thread, its from a different shoot to Nigels but it gives us a lot of information as to how this sensor handles noise
vincent thomas
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Thanks i will have a look at this one... Yes MXF, i have been using this format with my old Panasonic and P2 cards, just some of my fingers like to invert letters 
Alpha Beta Omega
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I would like to hear what the team behind these commercial sample images concluded in the time they had both the F3 and C300 on set. How did they differ? Was one better than the other? Please tell us more.
The lady with the laptop is completely lit by the exterior light coming in through the windows. Now we're talking.
Ted Ramasola
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I only had the night before with the camera before we ended up using it on Sat and Sun. When the director asked if we could use it for some hand held shots to move quicker, I said yes, even though I had little time with it, and it was not really set up. We quickly changed a few settings and away we went. The camera is very intuitive. There are several ways to access the menus, from the lcd, on the camera, and on the grip. The assignable buttons are all in quick access, and once you know where they are its easy.
I liked changing the ISO, WB, iris, from the grip. Also has start/stop. We kept the camera stripped down and light, and would work off the onboard LCD, and run a feed to video village. There are a lot of options in the menus that we discovered, like having a "fine" adjustment to the iris, no more clicking. But you have to choose it. Also TC is assignable to in/out. The LCD is very sharp, and has a great waveform/vectorscope built in.
Stephen Mick
Totally Usable
Thanks for the footage and info, Nigel! Looks great!
Nigel - thanks so much, this is very helpful. Don't know to what extent you're demoing the C300, but here's hoping that you'll be able to do some head to head with your F3. I've seen your stuff from that camera on Vimeo, and all looks great. You're in a unique position to determine how the C300 stacks up, and we'll be waiting! These intial shots have answered a lot of questions. Much better than the heavily produced Canon demo movies that are in themselves great, but don't tell the whole story.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Even with the Vimeo compression, that footage looks great.
Thanks for your comments. It was a good experience with the camera on the weekend. Its living up to some of the expectations I had of it. I was very pleased with what we were able to get on a hectic pace. We had a mix of sun and cloud on the first day, and we shot the Asian lady at the window just as some sunlight was coming though the diffused clouds, camera right at the 4ish pm time up here in Toronto. So, nice angle to work with. Filled her in a bit with a 6 bank Kino through a 4x4 frame with 1/4 silk. Balanced out nicely. No ND on the windows.
The man in the office was shot on the second day. It was overcast and rainy. We joked that we were able to have a wetdown. We did have extras walking on the sidewalk. I was blown away of how little light I needed on his face. We had a 1x1 bi light dimmed down to around half to light his face. No ND on the windows. Now it was overcast, but still a lot brighter than what we were working with inside. I was on the waveform checking to see where we were with highlights all the time.
I have not had time to even really rate the camera, or really even check what the log recording would do after it was graded, so I played it safe and used it like I would with S log on the F3, keeping skin tones around 40 units, but pushed it a few times over 50. A nice function on the camera is the view assist. It was explained to me my Canon reps at the launch in LA as retaining all the DR, but giving you an image that you would see after grading. To me it looks like it boost the levels, crushes the blacks, etc like a LUT, but you keep all the info on the screen. It doesn't make the choices for you and put it in a Rec 709 (for ex) space. We would turn it off and on and see where the waveform was, and it looks like when the view assist is on it does not affect the waveform in the camera. But it does not seem to add view assist off the SDI. Not sure if you can add it. I was trying different menus, but don't even have the manual.
The Canon log does seem to have more colour in it than the F3 in S log. Colours reproduced pretty nicely, and when I had the lighting set up for the F3, if we needed a b roll shot, I would just match the ISO and shoot away, even though we didn't test. I did a quick test with a cake and a candle this morning. I'll post some of it soon. I wanted to see some 16 000 ISO by 1 candle, plus, some whip pans to see how little rolling shutter there was.
The man in the office was shot on the second day. It was overcast and rainy. We joked that we were able to have a wetdown. We did have extras walking on the sidewalk. I was blown away of how little light I needed on his face. We had a 1x1 bi light dimmed down to around half to light his face. No ND on the windows. Now it was overcast, but still a lot brighter than what we were working with inside. I was on the waveform checking to see where we were with highlights all the time.
I have not had time to even really rate the camera, or really even check what the log recording would do after it was graded, so I played it safe and used it like I would with S log on the F3, keeping skin tones around 40 units, but pushed it a few times over 50. A nice function on the camera is the view assist. It was explained to me my Canon reps at the launch in LA as retaining all the DR, but giving you an image that you would see after grading. To me it looks like it boost the levels, crushes the blacks, etc like a LUT, but you keep all the info on the screen. It doesn't make the choices for you and put it in a Rec 709 (for ex) space. We would turn it off and on and see where the waveform was, and it looks like when the view assist is on it does not affect the waveform in the camera. But it does not seem to add view assist off the SDI. Not sure if you can add it. I was trying different menus, but don't even have the manual.
The Canon log does seem to have more colour in it than the F3 in S log. Colours reproduced pretty nicely, and when I had the lighting set up for the F3, if we needed a b roll shot, I would just match the ISO and shoot away, even though we didn't test. I did a quick test with a cake and a candle this morning. I'll post some of it soon. I wanted to see some 16 000 ISO by 1 candle, plus, some whip pans to see how little rolling shutter there was.