C100: Canon C100 Mark II Announced 60P, New VF, & New OLED Panel Texas Media Systems

Awesome, thank you ntouched! It's good to know that many of you are former AF100 users-- I didn't know that. Yeah, so many times, I've needed to see the LCD on the right side. Most of my stuff is interview format. So I try to swap it up with half of them facing left, half facing right, of course. And then if I don't have a PA working with me, that means that I have to sit on the right side of the camera for eyeline match. Then hopefully I notice if they move too much. And it's good to see that everything is still working right. So yeah, seems minor, but a big deal.

What would you guess that a C100 (OG) with less than 300 hours on it would be going for in say, March?

And the skin tones! No more pushing my colors away from green (to magenta) to make up for the AF100's green tint! That'll be great! Thank you for your well wishes!!
 
I second comparison to the AF100. The AF was the best camera I ever used as an operator...it had almost everything I wanted. The Canon series brought the image AND functionality together for me in a package that was tough to resist hence why I got my C300 a while back.
 
Hi Brandon, I terribly love and interested in your story. This is not the first time I read that owning C100/C300 brings jobs for freelancers. Recently Liam Hall explained that " Producers are already requesting HFR and 4K"
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?331855-What-am-I-missing-here-C300-pricing&p=1986504421&viewfull=1#post1986504421
For HFR/4K, I guess FS7 is a decent option, but C100/C300 are not really fine for HFR/4K projects.
Don't you think that investing today big money into a camera that cannot meet these requirements is risking your possibilities?
Miki

BrandonT said:
Just about everything on Staff Me Up is calling for a C300 right now. I can't afford that, but a C100 (orig. or mk II) with a recorder I would hope would be sufficient for most freelance stuff that calls for the C300.
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I've been getting just about all of the freelance work from other production companies needing stuff shot locally for a little while. Good SEO is a big help on that. So I hope that having the right camera will help me boost that to get some of the freelance work in a 100 - 200 mile radius.
No other camera is on my radar. The Sony FS7 looks like it's a great camera, but it's not for me. As soon as I saw the price of the recording media, I knew I wasn't considering it. I'm open to other suggestions, but I'm not going back to the DSL(R/M) form factor. Plus, like I said, all of the freelance work is calling for the EOS cinema line.
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Miklos Nemeth said:
Don't you think that investing today big money into a camera that cannot meet these requirements is risking your possibilities?
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That is a question that a lot of us are grappling with right now. My view on it is that at this point, most projects don't need 4K. A camera like a C100 offers clean, reliable 1080P and is ready for a lot of different types of shoots (i.e. it's a good 'catch-all' camera). You can always rent when you get specialty requests like 4K. Then when 4K takes over in the next couple of years and everyone is asking for it, you can sell your C100 and upgrade -- to a second or third generation of 4K camera that will be relatively free of "gotchas" by that point.
 
BrandonT said:
Awesome, thank you ntouched! It's good to know that many of you are former AF100 users-- I didn't know that. Yeah, so many times, I've needed to see the LCD on the right side. Most of my stuff is interview format. So I try to swap it up with half of them facing left, half facing right, of course. And then if I don't have a PA working with me, that means that I have to sit on the right side of the camera for eyeline match. Then hopefully I notice if they move too much. And it's good to see that everything is still working right. So yeah, seems minor, but a big deal.

What would you guess that a C100 (OG) with less than 300 hours on it would be going for in say, March?

And the skin tones! No more pushing my colors away from green (to magenta) to make up for the AF100's green tint! That'll be great! Thank you for your well wishes!!
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You can get the Original (OG) version of the C100 (pre-owned) for $3400 without Dual Pixel AF or about $3800 with Dual Pixel AF right now with UNDER 200 Hours (pre-owned). By March (as you are asking), it will be $500 less than the prices I stated. You could get a "field monitor" with an Israeli arm and mount it on the side of the camera (there's your side view solution if you go with a pre-owned C100)!!!!
 
Miklos Nemeth said:
Hi Brandon, I terribly love and interested in your story. This is not the first time I read that owning C100/C300 brings jobs for freelancers. Recently Liam Hall explained that " Producers are already requesting HFR and 4K"
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?331855-What-am-I-missing-here-C300-pricing&p=1986504421&viewfull=1#post1986504421
For HFR/4K, I guess FS7 is a decent option, but C100/C300 are not really fine for HFR/4K projects.
Don't you think that investing today big money into a camera that cannot meet these requirements is risking your possibilities?
Miki
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That's a lovely thing to say, thank you, Miklos. :) It's definitely something that is on my mind. But so far, I just don't see 4K being needed by my clients or on my freelance jobs. I see it being at least 2 - 4 years before that is needed on a regular basis for me (if not also in general). So if I chose the FS7, it would be for other reasons. And it certainly has those reasons going for it. It is clearly the superior camera. It seems to have completely won Philip Bloom over. I'm not going with it because 1) it is a bit of a step up more expensive, and the C100 mk II is already toward my limit & 2) the media for it is also quite expensive. I like lots of backup when it comes to recording media.

So to answer your question, no I don't think that it's a risk to go with the C100 instead of a 4K camera right now. If I need 4K in two years, then it'll be cheaper to get a quality camera with it. And the C100 mk II will hold its value well. And like I said before-- the C100/ C300 is what is being requested for freelance stuff right now. Not having the correct camera makes me ineligible for those jobs. So the risk would be to keep using the AF100 and not upgrade now.



ntouched said:
You can get the Original (OG) version of the C100 (pre-owned) for $3400 without Dual Pixel AF or about $3800 with Dual Pixel AF right now with UNDER 200 Hours (pre-owned). By March (as you are asking), it will be $500 less than the prices I stated. You could get a "field monitor" with an Israeli arm and mount it on the side of the camera (there's your side view solution if you go with a pre-owned C100)!!!!
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Ahh, so many things to consider. It's exciting. ;)

I read someone post that we can expect the mk II to be $1,000 cheaper in about a year. Is that time table a pretty agreeable assumption?
 
In April 2015 at NAB, you can expect a $500 mail-in rebate, and this time next year, a price drop or $500 Instant Rebate. That's the typical Canon way. With all the new camera's and competition (even more 4K stuff and hype next year, the C100 MKII could probably be $4500 or less). Just my 2 Cents........
 
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Canon C100 Mark II Shipping December 30 Texas Media Systems

Canon C100 Mark II Shipping December 30 Texas Media Systems

Canon C100 Mark II cameras will be shipping to Texas Media Systems on December 30.

We expect to take delivery on January 2 and begin shipping pre-orders that same day.

Canon C100 Mark II Camera 0202C002 $5499



Canon C100 Mark II Lease Payment Rates at Texas Media Systems.jpg
 
ntouched said:
In April 2015 at NAB, you can expect a $500 mail-in rebate, and this time next year, a price drop or $500 Instant Rebate. That's the typical Canon way. With all the new camera's and competition (even more 4K stuff and hype next year, the C100 MKII could probably be $4500 or less). Just my 2 Cents........
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Yeah, it's just one of those things where I want to make sure they're not going to cut the price soon after. The discount at NAB is interesting. Is that pretty solid that that will happen? Is that just for people attending, or anyone buying around that time? Then again, if I can't make $500 with it in four months, then I'd be doing something wrong.


Terry Nixon said:
Canon C100 Mark II cameras will be shipping to Texas Media Systems on December 30.

We expect to take delivery on January 2 and begin shipping pre-orders that same day.

Canon C100 Mark II Camera 0202C002 $5499
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That's good to hear. Ok Terry, maybe you or someone else can help me better understand something. I've only bought cameras outright or done Paypal Bill Me Later before. You're using the word lease. What exactly does that mean? I'm looking at it from like an auto perspective. You get a loan to purchase the car that you then own, and you pay that loan as you go until the full purchase price plus interest is paid off. But with an auto lease, you don't own the vehicle. There's lease to own, but I don't know much about that.

When you use the word lease when it comes to financing a camera, would I own the camera when I receive it? Is it lease to buy-- so when I'm done making payments, I own the camera outright (but not before)? That's what the payments add up to, so it would have to be that. I'm just trying to understand.

I was looking at/ considering purchasing from Abel Cine. No matter who I buy from and get financing, it's still Canon who is handling the financing, right? Thanks!
 
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I hope this fits in this thread. Another C100 mark ii film has been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu6Ug0lcfag

I was surprised to see green leaves. Are the leaves still green in Japan in November/December?
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Ok, I had totally seen the part with the dancer before. But I didn't recognize any of the names in the credits. Had anyone else already seen part of this somewhere? That's going to bug me if I don't figure it out. lol.

I think it looks good. On the extreme CU of the guy's eye, though, you can see two guys from the crew right in front of him.
 
Brandon, if you're going to purchase or lease the C100 MKII, I would definitely consider "TEXAS MEDIA SYSTEMS"!!! Many of the users here on DVXUSER, have purchased our cameras from Texas Media Systems. They'll have the same Canon Lease deals as Abel Cinema. Texas Media Systems is a DVXUSER Sponsor, they give excellent customer service and are "Authorized" Canon dealers for the Canon C100 MKII! I've purchased several cameras from them and they are truly the "Best of the Best"!!!!
 
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+ on Texas Media System. Just got my Shogun delivered. Terry went beyond and above to get it for me before Xmas. :)
 
The $1 Buyout Business Leases offered by Canon, Sony, Panasonic, Schneider, and Zeiss are similar to bank financing. Once you make the final payment ($1), you own the equipment outright. Like a bank loan, you have to maintain insurance and pay your local taxes.

If your state has Film & TV Sales Tax Incemtives, you dont have to pay sales tax. (Texas, Florida, California, New York, New Jersey)

We don't do many Fair Market Value (FMV) leases where you return the gear at the end of the term. On a FMV lease, you typically pay for most of the gear, but then have to pay the Fair Market Value of the gear at the end of the lease term to buy the equipment outright. Typically the cost of ownership on a FMV lease is a bad value.

The lease agreements are written for businesses. Most of the lease companies want a registered business entity or a DBA. The lease company rules on the business entity vary on the credit analyst and the day of the week. Most customers get approved if their business or personal credit is good.

Canon is our only vendor that actually owns their own lease company. Everyone else partners or loans their name to a lease company that holds the lease paper.

Abel Cine is a great company. They offer many of the same Canon programs that we do.


BrandonT said:
That's good to hear. Ok Terry, maybe you or someone else can help me better understand something. I've only bought cameras outright or done Paypal Bill Me Later before. You're using the word lease. What exactly does that mean? I'm looking at it from like an auto perspective. You get a loan to purchase the car that you then own, and you pay that loan as you go until the full purchase price plus interest is paid off. But with an auto lease, you don't own the vehicle. There's lease to own, but I don't know much about that.

When you use the word lease when it comes to financing a camera, would I own the camera when I receive it? Is it lease to buy-- so when I'm done making payments, I own the camera outright (but not before)? That's what the payments add up to, so it would have to be that. I'm just trying to understand.

I was looking at/ considering purchasing from Abel Cine. No matter who I buy from and get financing, it's still Canon who is handling the financing, right? Thanks!
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Do you folks recommend either the Glidecam 2000 or 4000 for the C100? I have my second job doing a walk around tour of a university with a student as on camera talent. Different university on this upcoming job. I still like the first one I did, but looking at it, I could have used some stabilization. Actually, I quite like doing handheld stuff. And I know the ergonomics of the C100 MK II will be better than the AF100, meaning more stable. But still, those smooth shots look good. Which model? I've seen people using both for the C100.
 
Terry Nixon said:
Our first C100 Mark II just arrived. If you are in Austin, stop by for a demo.

More arriving Friday.
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Alright! Terry, does it come with the external battery charger? I was looking on the "in the box" section on B&H's listing, and it only said the power adapter that actually plugs into the camera.
 
Brandon.
Did you email/call TMS? If so, have you heard back yet? I've tried a couple people and haven't heard anything. Was wondering if you're moving forward with the financing. I heard back from Ablecine so I have an idea of how it works. I'd like to go with TMS since they have them in stock. Was trying to get it done by today since, well, tax write-off. :)
 
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