1DC: Canon 1Dx mkII to shoot 4k video, 5D mkIV not so much. Also: C100 4k witin 18 months?

One of the reason for the high cost of 1D C is the R&D, bringing two department (DSLR and cinema) together and collaborate costs money, i believe it's very unlikely to see C-series features on 1DX Mark II, which means no C-log, no DCI 4K, no XF-AVC codec.

I think 4K 60P could be MJPEG, something around 1000Mbps, recorded to CFast 2.0.
 
marvinhello said:
I think 4K 60P could be MJPEG, something around 1000Mbps, recorded to CFast 2.0.
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Yes... they could stick with what they already have (in the 1Dc). A proven DSLR solution that works with 4k: MJPEG. Staying with that codec would be fine with me, but it isn't enough without Log. I think it's been a great codec: high bitrate, intraframe, 422. Sure, I convert all my files, but I'd rather do that and have artefact free images than use a consumer codec with issues.

My reservation is that 520Mbit files sat well with the cinema crowd, but I'm not sure that they would be as approved by "occasional videographers". I think many would find them clunky and large.

But 4k60 with 1000Mbit intraframe 422 would produce images that would turn heads in many situations. Especially in more controlled lighting situations…
 
NorBro said:
Can Canon add C-Log in a firmware update if they needed to?
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If they have enough processing power left.

And people complain loudly enough. And shake their fists. And switch - or threaten to - to Sony and Nikon.

AndreeOnline said:
... The fact that the XC10 has features like Log and XF-AVC is, in my humble opinion, no indication at all as to what might land in the Dx mkII.

One is a DSLR and the other a video camera. Price has nothing to do with it. The XC10 has a ND-filter as well. And time-lapse. ..
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The thing is, if they don't add video features, they leave a pretty huge gap between XC10 and C300MKII in their lineup. And a 5DMKIV at ~ $3,500 won't close that gap much either. So, their options is either a video friendly D X MKII or C200/C100 MKIII. I would think the latter could cannibalize the C300MKII sales a lot more than a decent hybrid.
 
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marvinhello said:
One of the reason for the high cost of 1D C is the R&D, bringing two department (DSLR and cinema) together and collaborate costs money, i believe it's very unlikely to see C-series features on 1DX Mark II, which means no C-log, no DCI 4K, no XF-AVC codec.

I think 4K 60P could be MJPEG, something around 1000Mbps, recorded to CFast 2.0.
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100% agreed. Also, that is the reason i gladly paid for the 1DC. I hope to see a new version out there somewhere.
 
So with no C-LOG, would the claimed 15 stops just be in the regular profiles? (natural, portrait, etc?)
 
Maybe they just haven't got info about C-Log.

Mark My Words: The Canon EOS 7D Mark II will get a firmware update adding 4K to match the Nikon D500. Way more likely than a quick correctional successor with it. Canon ain't Nikon.
 
You think so? If it would, Canon would probably disable DPAF in the 7DmkII while recording 4K or something....just too good to be true.
 
4K video (4096 x 2160) up to 60 fps (59.94), with an 8.8-Megapixel still frame grab**** in camera. Full 1080p HD capture up to 120 fps for slow motion.

The EOS-1D X Mark II is an incredibly capable camera for moviemaking. Thanks to its Dual DIGIC 6+ Image Processors and its advanced sensor, it can capture huge 4K (Motion JPEG)video at up to 60 fps, recording smoothly to CFast™ cards. It’s the first EOS camera able to record Full HD video at 120 fps, easily displaying minute details imperceptible to the human eyeand ideal for slow-motion video capture. With the camera’s new touch panel display, AF points can be easily selected while the camera’s rolling, and focus can be quickly confirmed with the EOS-1D X Mark II’s 4K still frame grab feature*, wherein an 8.8-Megapixel still image can be selected for review and saved. Low-light performance is improved as well, with video recording at ISOs of up to 12800 in 4K and 25600 in Full HD.The EOS-1D X Mark II also features uncompressed HDMI output for Full HD videos, helping to facilitate video editing with minimal image degradation. Not to mention, it can also save videos as MP4s for easy playback on mobile devices...
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Following Nikon's (bad) example, Canon doesn't even mention the codec or the bit rate.

Any improvements off 1D C are marginal. Higher ISO andf rame rate, better AF. The rest is on the bottom of the pudding.
 
If it has 15 stops in any picture style, I'll buy it. But no mention of DR?

I wonder if we'll get a marketing film.
 
Pascal_Parvex said:
...Mark My Words: The Canon EOS 7D Mark II will get a firmware update adding 4K to match the Nikon D500. Way more likely than a quick correctional successor with it. Canon ain't Nikon.
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Now that would be something! But as mentioned, that seems too good to be true. I'd gladly take C-Log though.
 
NorBro said:
If it has 15 stops in any picture style, I'll buy it. But no mention of DR? ...
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Probably depends on what sort of picture profiles are offered. But, generally speaking, it has the same pixel size as C300 MKII, which is around 12 stops without a C-Log.

People should really complain to whoever will listen. Nikon, obviously, received a lot of flak for their 3-min 4K recording limit and has allegedly fixed it (via the 3-min ten consecutive file creation). Who knows. Canon may add it at a later date. As is, this camera is sort of a 50% solution.
 
OK, unsurprisingly all the "rumors" from Canonrumors with CR3, and maybe even CR2 were true. Make a note for the future. The key is to not add to the rumor's with one's own expectations or wishes.

So MJPEG it is—also expected. 800Mbit for 60p and 500 for 24-25p. That's good! 422?
1920x1080 at 120p ALL-I 360 Mb/s. Probably in the soft full frame mode. We'll see.

No Canon Log or Wide DR, but a "Fine Detail" profile is listed. Is that new?

All in all it's a very well rounded camera. At 500-800Mbit/s we're going to see some pretty stellar videos form this camera.

Omitting Log will hold the camera back in certain scenarios. At the same time, the 8bit files will be very rich with beautiful colors via the normal PPs. A lot of users will probably re-think their setup when they realize how sweet it can be to have ready-to-go files directly out of the camera. Vimeo and YouTube is overflowed with ill managed Log footage as it is…

I always shoot Log because I like the light distribution better, but last fall during vacation I revisited some other profiles to refresh my memory. You can download the original file here to see how Neutral compare to Log:

https://vimeo.com/153742021

And by 'Neutral' I mean reduced contrast and no sharpening in camera (but some added on export).
 
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