Camera rumors for 2016?

Canon executives have a lot of balls to juggle. They have the outside subcontractors who might design and/or manufacture their sensors but then demand concessions in other markets. In other words, Sony may make a series of sensors for Canon but then will demand that Canon doesn't produce a model with a given spec list at a given price (i.e., an updated MKIV to go against A7SII/RII). Canon will then issue counter demands (nothing from Sony in the 1D X segment). Sony will then counter the counter (by demanding that 1DXII is stripped of the available video features, as not to compete against the FS-5 and FS-7). These deals result in a checkerboard pattern of various models, features and prices.

The problem for Canon here is that not all checker squares are equal. Under the historical market conditions, a $2,000 camera, as an example, may have competed against others in the $1,500-$2,500 range, a $1,000 in the $700-$1,500 and so on. But Sony has been packing so many features, performance qualities and such a massive processing power into their "niche" models that they sucked in huge portions of buyers that would have stayed away from it otherwise. An A7RII may have only been considered a direct competitor to 5DMKIII but now it can fight against 6D, 7D, 5Ds/r and even 1DXII while A6300 is a legitimate option vs. T6, D80, 6D and 7D. That all eats up into Canon's high margin camera sales and its overhead is likely far too heavy not to have the net effected by the drop in gross in a major, major way.
 
You all appear to fail to realize that our market is a spit in the bucket for Canon. If everyone in our market segment bought a Canon camera tomorrow, it would be a nice momentary uptick for a monthly number, but that's it. The stills market - even the "professional level" always outsized the video market. While this shifted in recent years, it should be recognized that every 8 months or so Canon sells 10 million EOS lenses.

More. Than. One. Million. Lenses. A. Month.

Do you really think that adding 4K60p is going to change that a lot?

The point & shoot market is going away because that customer base is using their cell phones instead. That means that Canon has to adjust for that the reduction of that market segment, which constituted MILLIONS of units sold annually. I don't care if you add 64K 12,000p to a DSLR tomorrow, it simply will not do much of anything to make up for that difference.

Canon's pro imaging division should not be measured by the overall company, just as Sony's professional video division honestly is but a relatively small but prestigious corner of that company.

We are but motes of dust in a great sea of corporate product. Samsung left this market segment because it wasn't worth the bother. They could make a new SSD or refrigerator and generate far greater profit. Ask Canon to make you a 4K60p camera and they'll likely compare the potential profit v. cost in resources to churning out another photocopier instead.
 
^ Completely true.

The only risk for Canon is if their brand stops being perceived as "the good one". If Sony can manage to make pro photogs use their cameras and their lenses (something they haven't been able to achieve so far, to a great extent), and at the same time offer a full range of products from super-cheap to super-awesome, then Canon could end up in very trouble. I believe that may happen in a few years, but it depends a lot more on what Sony does than on what Canon does (i.e. Canon will continue to do the same, Sony will try to convince the world that mirrorless is actually better). We'll see...
 
It's very difficult to picture a world without Canon lenses. Their lenses are such a signature to photography.
 
Duplicate post.
Mistake?

In any case, while it's true about the Canon lenses, they are popular - to the point of dominance with their EF mount - because the cameras were and still are popular. But Sony not only is beginning to thrash Canon cameras on specs/price/value, it and Zeiss are making pro quality lenses too. For Canon, it's a double whammy. The lower end gets swallowed by smartphones; the high end gets brushed aside by Sony. Throw in a law of diminishing returns in digital photography - pixel density, DR, frame rate, video recording, etc. - and a lot of profits will be getting squeezed out of any photo-video equipment.

PS. As I was scanning the Amazon sales charts yesterday, I noticed the cutest mobile printer by Polaroid. Plug it into the USB port and, half a minute later, there's your photo on the go.
 
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No, let's not start that again.

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(What, just four clicks? Moderators, don't you think we need something like dual missile keys as well?)
 
^ Completely true.

The only risk for Canon is if their brand stops being perceived as "the good one". If Sony can manage to make pro photogs use their cameras and their lenses (something they haven't been able to achieve so far, to a great extent), and at the same time offer a full range of products from super-cheap to super-awesome, then Canon could end up in very trouble. I believe that may happen in a few years, but it depends a lot more on what Sony does than on what Canon does (i.e. Canon will continue to do the same, Sony will try to convince the world that mirrorless is actually better). We'll see...

IMHO, Canon still wants you to spend all your family goods into a C-series camera.... they don't seem to listen and will probably never do.
 
As a side note : no one can predict the future (though, a lot of people make a lot of money by saying they can) but it seems that a multiple lens/multiple focal length smartphone camera where the image is then blended via software can be that disrupting technology that will not only kill the point&shoot but the low and maybe even the bulk of the ILC market. There'd still obviously be the high end and pro gear but there won't be tens of millions of sub-$1,000 models to share the R&D with.

On the positive side, someone will film "Lawrence of Arabia" on his smartphone and no one would be able to discern the difference from the original.*

*Peter O'Toole will be in CGI.
 
As a side note : no one can predict the future (though, a lot of people make a lot of money by saying they can) but it seems that a multiple lens/multiple focal length smartphone camera where the image is then blended via software can be that disrupting technology that will not only kill the point&shoot but the low and maybe even the bulk of the ILC market.
You mean something like this?

https://light.co/camera

If they figure out how to add an Android smartphone to this camera, I'd be first in line to buy one.
 
Mistake?

In any case, while it's true about the Canon lenses, they are popular - to the point of dominance with their EF mount - because the cameras were and still are popular. But Sony not only is beginning to thrash Canon cameras on specs/price/value, it and Zeiss are making pro quality lenses too. For Canon, it's a double whammy. The lower end gets swallowed by smartphones; the high end gets brushed aside by Sony. Throw in a law of diminishing returns in digital photography - pixel density, DR, frame rate, video recording, etc. - and a lot of profits will be getting squeezed out of any photo-video equipment.

PS. As I was scanning the Amazon sales charts yesterday, I noticed the cutest mobile printer by Polaroid. Plug it into the USB port and, half a minute later, there's your photo on the go.

I switched from Canon 5dMk3 to Sony A7R2, even though I still get EF-lenses for the reason they work on lots of "cinema cameras" like BMD Ursa and Red. So right now for me EF is still OK, but Canon has dropped the ball completely. They have big bulky cameras, bad DR and bad video compared to Sony. I'm not saying Sony is great with their cameras, but they are actually improving and releasing newer versions more often. More and more lens manufacturers are including the option to switch the mounts and there are lots of good adapters out there, so eventually I will even skip the EF lenses...
 
Canon has improved the dynamic range of their cameras, but they're apparently trying to keep their margins up by not percolating that down to their more affordable models. Their latest update seems to enable extracting some extra dynamic range from their C300MKII, which so far has been well received, but it's also up there in Varicam LT and F5 territory as far as price. I guess the Red Scarlet-W is in that range also if you consider a fully-functional starter kit rather than just a body (which is the only way to go, since a Red brain without its acoutrements is a pricey paperweight), though you don't need external recorders for raw with the Scarlet-W like you do with the Varicam LT and F5.
 
You mean something like this?

https://light.co/camera
Ya, something like this. For about a year now, there've been rumors about the next generation iPhone having a similar tech based on the software developed by an Israeli company Corephotonics. It was rumored to have only two lenses/cameras but with the same idea of blending multiple focal lengths.

Here's some info on Corephotonics.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/02/26/corephotonics-dual-lens-smartphone-camera/

A year ago, Apple acquired another Israeli photo company called LinX.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/apple-buys-photo-tech-firm-linx-for-its-third-israel-acquisition/
 
Unless you deny an eventual stills/video "convergence"..Hi Mitch ;)..Who is pulling those together? Canon or Panny?
(This will be good)
Video/cinema is so minor that Canon created a new line for it?
Further..have we heard lately from the Canon rep that teased the NAB XC10 update? Where is he?
Sometimes I get the sense Canon's strategy is to let others bleed the pro edge.
But meanwhile, where are the revolution's numbers going these days? Canon? Sony?
 
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IMHO, Canon still wants you to spend all your family goods into a C-series camera.... they don't seem to listen and will probably never do.
Luckily for all of us, there are plenty of other options out there :)
(I'd be terribly happy with a C300II, I just need it to fall in price by 75% so I can afford it and everything will be good XD)
 
Luckily for all of us, there are plenty of other options out there :)
(I'd be terribly happy with a C300II, I just need it to fall in price by 75% so I can afford it and everything will be good XD)

Yeah. For sure. Hell I'd buy 4. No I wouldn't. Still just one.
 
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