Bassman2003
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Yes, but only with a faster lens and better color/image like the PX270.
Camera rumors for 2016?
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Yes, but only with a faster lens and better color/image like the PX270.
Yeah, you'd think BMD would either figure out how to accelerate their production schedule or refrain from announcing cameras until much closer to release. But they'll probably announce a new or improved camera at NAB. I personally would like to see a DCI 4K/UHD HyperDeck Shuttle that could do DNxHR, ProRes, and raw.
IMO, BMD the Camera Maker is no longer relevant. For the low budget/no budget type of shoots, GH4 w/V-Log is now $1,300 and a 4K external monitor/recorder with ProRes HQ go for as little as $1,000. Then you also have NX1, A6300 (soon), RX10II, A7SII/RII and even the camcorder type like DVX200 (let's see what the new update looks like). And, once you add up everything for a ready-to-shoot package, they're competing with FS5/7 and even Red Raven. The time when their 2.5K CC was the sole piece with a better than 1080p resolution for under $10,000 is long gone. Nowadays, there are point&shoot's with 4K. There are bridge cameras with 4K. While they've been struggling to get their product out to the store shelves, their niche has basically been filled by others. And there's nowhere left for them to go.
The more frustrating thing with BM is the build quality and the quirks you have to deal with. I wonder how the sensor will deal with IR pollution this time. Not many imagining companies have gotten that really sorted, asides from Canon.
Samuel H
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I also think BMD cameras are becoming much less relevant in today's market.
- The pocket is still wonderfully awesome, but if you love it you already have one, I don't think they're selling many of those anymore.
- The 4K sensor has very limited DR so, while it may be interesting for some people, I won't even consider it.
- And the 4.6K sensor can only be found on a body that costs as much as the FS5 (or even FS7 depending on how you want to rig it).
If they come out with a sub-$3K body with the 4.6K sensor (obviously with limited features, think "pouch" instead of "pocket", not Ursa Mini), then they can make a strong comeback. But the existence tax is actually a thing. NAB 2016 is just around the corner and I don't think you can buy the 4.6K mini anywhere yet.
- The pocket is still wonderfully awesome, but if you love it you already have one, I don't think they're selling many of those anymore.
- The 4K sensor has very limited DR so, while it may be interesting for some people, I won't even consider it.
- And the 4.6K sensor can only be found on a body that costs as much as the FS5 (or even FS7 depending on how you want to rig it).
If they come out with a sub-$3K body with the 4.6K sensor (obviously with limited features, think "pouch" instead of "pocket", not Ursa Mini), then they can make a strong comeback. But the existence tax is actually a thing. NAB 2016 is just around the corner and I don't think you can buy the 4.6K mini anywhere yet.
If you are after a 'cinematic' image then BM cameras are still very relevant - and since when has 11-12 stops dr become very limited, is right on par with other cameras like Sony A7s2 which seems to get a lot of folk excited. They are crap at meeting deadlines it is true - but the Micro cinema camera will take over from the pocket and be the sub £1k camera for creating narrative work
Bassman2003
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What can you say about BM and deadlines? They are horrible. But if they can make an Ursa 4.6 Micro which would be their version of the Fs5 then everybody will love them all over again...in a year when it hits the shelves! To me, the Ursa Mini 4.6 is a great tool but it is still kind of large and a little higher priced. If they can make a micro version with a normal camcorder ergonomic design like the Fs5 I think it would appeal to many shooters. But their camera design has hardly been normal up to this point.
Jim Feeley
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IIRC, neither URSA Mini model comes with a viewfinder. The BMD URSA viewfinder is $1,495. Plus, I'd want the $395 shoulder-mount kit. And the Mini doesn't have built-in ND filters (IIRC); not an issue to everyone but one for me and others. For how I'd want to use them, the BMD ready-to-roll price isn't tons less than some other interesting cameras. That doesn't rule out the BMD cameras, of course.
Could be an interesting NAB for under-$10,000 cameras. At least, I hope it will be. And I hope what we see on the show floor is available soon soon soon after the show.
More expensive cameras, I'll just keep renting (and hiring better operators to run)
So I hope to see:
Panasonic AG-AF200
With perhaps some of the clever features in the JVC GY-LS300
(note the recent deals on the AF100 and the LS300)
Panasonic DVX200a
With deeper color recording. And maybe a little smaller
Canon C200
Priced and featured to compete with the FS5 and FS7 (but cheaper than both :happy
JVC GY-LS400 or LS300a
With in-camera image stabilization
Sony FS5a and FS7a
With in-camera stabilization and TC+Genlock that doesn't require the external recorder
BMD camera with built-in ND filters, and rugged construction
Not saying the current cam's aren't rugged, but I'd like to be sure the camera's will survive tough doc use.
What did I miss? What did I get wrong? What do you think we'll see this April?
It needs an EVF, which brings it up to the FS-7 territory and most people won't shoot 4K Raw - even the prime time TV shows don't - and, if they do, they are likely to have the means for a higher end camera anyway.
PS. No one is stopping anyone from purchasing BMD (or Kinefinity or Digital Bolex or whatever). It's just that there aren't that many compelling reasons left other than "I like the URSA look" to buy it.
http://www.focus-numerique.com/cp-16-sony-entretien-yutaka-iwatsuki-news-9030.html
A French photo-video site had a chat with a Sony manager, who said that, if folks were impressed with Sony's product in 2015, 2016 will be a lot more impressive. That's exactly the same thing as a Canon manager said, "If you hated our product in 2015, 2016 will be even worse".
OK, the Canon dude didn't exactly say that but, if they think of catching up, they better catch up to 2017, not to 2014.
A French photo-video site had a chat with a Sony manager, who said that, if folks were impressed with Sony's product in 2015, 2016 will be a lot more impressive. That's exactly the same thing as a Canon manager said, "If you hated our product in 2015, 2016 will be even worse".
OK, the Canon dude didn't exactly say that but, if they think of catching up, they better catch up to 2017, not to 2014.
Bassman2003
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So I hope to see:
Panasonic AG-AF200
With perhaps some of the clever features in the JVC GY-LS300
(note the recent deals on the AF100 and the LS300)
Panasonic DVX200a
With deeper color recording. And maybe a little smaller
Canon C200
Priced and featured to compete with the FS5 and FS7 (but cheaper than both :happy
JVC GY-LS400 or LS300a
With in-camera image stabilization
Sony FS5a and FS7a
With in-camera stabilization and TC+Genlock that doesn't require the external recorder
BMD camera with built-in ND filters, and rugged construction
Not saying the current cam's aren't rugged, but I'd like to be sure the camera's will survive tough doc use.
What did I miss? What did I get wrong? What do you think we'll see this April?
I feel like there might be another hardware upgrade to the F55, just to maybe fix the LUT output problems the camera has, but other than that the only other thing Sony will do is add a top end Alexa style F65 replacement.
Right. It can use most any SDI evf not just the BM one which from reviews is a great EVF and one of the cheapest quality evfs around, Global shutter, 60p non global shutter, 15 stops DR, onboard raw recording, can shoot 4K, 3K, 2K and HD in three flavors of Prores, flip out screen, its cheap. Yeah I see how irrelevant it is because the viewfinder isn't included and because it isn't the size of a deck of cards delivering H264 4:2:0.
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I'm with Mico on this - and image quality doesn't seem to figure that high in importance here for some reason - the "Ursa look" - particularly what is coming out of the 4.6k recently, is a thing of beauty and to my eyes looks nicer than anything I've seen from the fs7 for example. The Ursa 4k footage looks mighty fine too. Is that not compelling enough? To me image is the most important factor, I guess we have very different needs in a camera
