Now if only the majority of clients will switch to Resolve instead of Adobe CC I'll be joining you.
C300: C300MKIII at NAB????
- Thread starter chris f
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Now if only the majority of clients will switch to Resolve instead of Adobe CC I'll be joining you.
rob norton
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I'll probably keep my ancient computer as well as this new one just to run the non-subscription PP 5.5 I bought outright. Plus I'm way faster just editing in PP at the moment.
I'm sure you're tackling bigger projects than me and need to play by the rules more. I'm going for a one stop shop working directly with clients who only want a video and don't have much say in the tools that get used, nor do they want a say!
I don't know what it is but adjusting colors in resolve is so much more enjoyable..
So, here's a story for you. I am on a phone with the HSBC help/fraud prevention center that's located in India. At a moment of downtime, I figure it might help me to relate to the customer service agent there and tell the guy about his countryman. I go very nonchalant, "I frequent a video forum, where one of the members is an Indian guy named Sabyasachi". He interrupts me, "You know Saby?"
Thanks for raining on my parade. I hear 'tis the season for it in LA.
AndreeOnline
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My first advice to anyone who wants to learn Resolve or Fusion: start with BMD's own recent tutorials and training material!!
Free of charge, you'll find pretty polished videos that will bring anyone up to speed in "no time at all". Honestly, don't even consider YouTube before completing that material. And then you have all the books that are free to download as pdfs on the same page. Videos:
Introduction to Editing, The Art of Color Grading, Fusion VFX and Graphics, Fusion VFX in 3D, Fairlight Audio Production Part 1, Fairlight Audio Production Part 2, Managing Media, Delivering Content
So, I'd highly recommend just listening to these for a solid overview. Then continue by either downloading the books (they include links to project material). Be sure to realise that "understanding how something works by listening to an explanation" is not the same as then being able to do it yourself. It's a common trap to listen/watch a tutorial and think "yup, got it! That's easy!" only to fail when it's time to do it yourself with your own material, unassisted.
I think you'll need to actually get your hands dirty and WORK with the software. But... the price for the full version is $299 and all this training is free as well...
There simply is no room for excuses here. Add to this all the—admittedly of varying quality—tutorials on YouTube and other places.
Thanks for the link and mini review Andree! Anything to save a little time these days is much appreciated!
rob norton
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Thanks. I recently saw the Resolve 15 training, it's pretty impressive. No wonder every thinks they're a professional colorist now.
chris f
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This would be strange decision, but maybe a FF upgrade option for the C200? If they’re not releasing any new cameras maybe this would push some new sales in the meantime???
puredrifting
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puredrifting
Major Contributor
Not happening. I got the impression that internally, the C200 is as dead as the C300 MKII, I doubt if we will ever see an imager upgrade or even another firmware update for either camera. Canon is one of those companies that just puts stuff out, possibly one or two firmware fixes for what THEY have deigned was needed to be fixed, not what users asked for and that's it. Unlike Fujifilm who continually solicits user requests and bends over backwards to put out firmware updates quite often that actually fulfill those user requests. Freaking amazing.
bill totolo
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These cameras, especially the C300II must have been good sellers for Canon, no?
The original C300 was a dominant chart topper (sort of like Suzy Quatro back in 1973). MKII was subpar. C700 seems to be a 90 pound weakling.
C200 has done very well. The question is how much of a consolidation between their high end consumer and the low end pro, Canon is willing to accept.
puredrifting
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Not sure of any exact sales numbers, we'd probably get better intel by talking to someone like B&H than Canon.
Anecdotally, I agree with DLD, the original C300 was a monster seller and super popular. For example, here it is Spring 2019 and I was just hired for a two day EPK shoot for a popular cable channel (yes, they still exist!) and right on their spec sheet was, "preferred cameras for EPK, Canon C300 or Sony FS7". Not the C300 MKII, the C300. I was able to speak to one of the technical producers when I emailed their production coordinator who is hiring me and convince him to let me shoot with the C200 and the Ninja Blade since this client (surprise, surprise!) only wants and needs 1080, NOT 4K! He was concerned about the weight for me, using V-Mounts and mounting the Blade on the camera as we will be shooting a lot of run & gun all over set. I told him I have some small V-Mounts and a full Zacuto Recoil Rig and that it's no problem shooting shoulder mounted all day and he seemed happy.
The FS7 and FS7 MKII are far more popular nationally than the C300 MKII but here is LA, in particular, I still see a lot more C300 MKIIs.
I am working the NAACP Image Awards this weekend and it will be interesting to compare how many FS7s versus C300 MKIIs I see on the red carpet, I'll report back.
Also, keep in mind at least one Canon exec at InterBEE has hinted that camera development and production, particularly in the consumer/mirrorless space is going to slow down for them and they will be putting out far fewer new models and cameras over the next few years. The Fuji executives even have commented about this in interviews and they feel the opposite, that there are tremendous opportunities in mirrorless for growth. Interesting, huh? Not sure how or if any of this affects the EOS Cinema line, I know several people at Canon but these sorts of conversations come from the mothership, not Canon USA. I still stand by my assertion that the entire EOS C line is a prestige product for Canon, not a significant contributor to Canon's bottom line at all. So it's a wild card as to what Canon will or won't do with the Cinema cameras moving forward.
Anecdotally, I agree with DLD, the original C300 was a monster seller and super popular. For example, here it is Spring 2019 and I was just hired for a two day EPK shoot for a popular cable channel (yes, they still exist!) and right on their spec sheet was, "preferred cameras for EPK, Canon C300 or Sony FS7". Not the C300 MKII, the C300. I was able to speak to one of the technical producers when I emailed their production coordinator who is hiring me and convince him to let me shoot with the C200 and the Ninja Blade since this client (surprise, surprise!) only wants and needs 1080, NOT 4K! He was concerned about the weight for me, using V-Mounts and mounting the Blade on the camera as we will be shooting a lot of run & gun all over set. I told him I have some small V-Mounts and a full Zacuto Recoil Rig and that it's no problem shooting shoulder mounted all day and he seemed happy.
The FS7 and FS7 MKII are far more popular nationally than the C300 MKII but here is LA, in particular, I still see a lot more C300 MKIIs.
I am working the NAACP Image Awards this weekend and it will be interesting to compare how many FS7s versus C300 MKIIs I see on the red carpet, I'll report back.
Also, keep in mind at least one Canon exec at InterBEE has hinted that camera development and production, particularly in the consumer/mirrorless space is going to slow down for them and they will be putting out far fewer new models and cameras over the next few years. The Fuji executives even have commented about this in interviews and they feel the opposite, that there are tremendous opportunities in mirrorless for growth. Interesting, huh? Not sure how or if any of this affects the EOS Cinema line, I know several people at Canon but these sorts of conversations come from the mothership, not Canon USA. I still stand by my assertion that the entire EOS C line is a prestige product for Canon, not a significant contributor to Canon's bottom line at all. So it's a wild card as to what Canon will or won't do with the Cinema cameras moving forward.
Run&Gun
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I agree. At least anecdotally, the original was much more popular. The only times I really see mkII’s are with people that replaced worn out originals and guys that missed the original boat and were late to the Canon Party. I still have my original and never saw a compelling reason to buy a mkII. Most guys that I know that still have fully functioning original 300’s never bought mkII’s and still use the original’s, to an extent. It’s shifting back to a “Sony World”. My F55 handles the lion’s share of my s35 work and other guys I know that own 300’s and Sony’s(F5/55’s & Fs7/II’s), the bulk of their work seems to be going Sony now, too.
I wonder how disruptive Apple's release of ProRes RAW was to Canon's Cinema EOS release schedule. Do you think it's possible Canon planned to include CRL in the C300MKIII but decided to delay the camera to incorporate ProRes RAW? I know ProRes RAW support near the top of the list of features I'm looking for in my next RAW recording camera. Has anyone here talked to anyone at Canon about ProRes RAW?
Mark Smith
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Pro res Raw in a Canon C series camera would be a welcome addition. When it comes to Canon announcements, I do not hold my breath. Witness their torrid rollout of firmware updates- they announce a bug fix or minor update 7 months before it happens.
As for the discussion of camera popularity- the C300 was wildly popular on the east coast, the Mk2 a bit less so, though I was recently on a 7 camera 300 Mk2 shoot which looked pretty terrific . All 5 Oscar nominated Docs of 2018 were shot on canon so there's a niche that Canon really seems to connect in.
As for the discussion of camera popularity- the C300 was wildly popular on the east coast, the Mk2 a bit less so, though I was recently on a 7 camera 300 Mk2 shoot which looked pretty terrific . All 5 Oscar nominated Docs of 2018 were shot on canon so there's a niche that Canon really seems to connect in.
George Loch
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It sure seems like a risky time to get involved with Canon's cinema line, but I don't see a better combination for pro-level/prosumer mixture. Despite it's flaws, the EOS R combined with a C200 seems like a nice A/B cam kit.
What are you thoughts?
What are you thoughts?
Ask same question on Sony forum...
My point is, you should know what is better for you. For what I do I would choose Sony just because of slow motion since my clients want slow motion. But that does not mean it is better choice for you.
Matt Turner
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Personally I hope they wait until their 8K tech is up with the pack than release something mediocre. Also, add Blackmagic RAW support instead of ProRes RAW. :happy:
cpreston
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My current cameras are the C300 MK II's with the EOS R as a third gimbal camera. The EOS R can match the C300 II in C LOG almost perfectly. I'm not sure about the C200. I think the Canon cameras are easier to use than the Sony's but they lack the 60p that some people want. Also, I've found the FS7 to be more in demand locally, although I've never seen anybody decline a Canon unless they specifically demand 4K 60p.