C300: C300MKIII at NAB????

In NYC the C300M2 seems to be getting a decent amount of play, along with the FS7 in this budget range. The "standard" package seems to be the 17-120 canon, with Teradek and lockit boxes. Outside of the Alexa Mini this midprice range seems to all be in play, unless high frame rates are needed.

I'm very curious about how the BM UMG2 is going to play, with it's high frame rate options for the price. That's traditional Epic territory until you have to go Phantom. It's not a low light camera for sure, but I'm usually 320-800 ISO on the C300M2.
 
Gary T said:
I wonder how disruptive Apple's release of ProRes RAW was to Canon's Cinema EOS release schedule. Do you think it's possible Canon planned to include CRL in the C300MKIII but decided to delay the camera to incorporate ProRes RAW? I know ProRes RAW support near the top of the list of features I'm looking for in my next RAW recording camera. Has anyone here talked to anyone at Canon about ProRes RAW?
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I couldn't swear about Prores RAW because the the C700 records regular Prores so I guess it's not an impossibilty. I did, point blank ask one of the Canon people (not an engineer mind you) "Do you think Cinema RAW Light will be an orphan format, only to appear in the C200 and never to appear again?" and he said that he thinks it will be included in 'other cameras', which logically would probably be the C300 MKIII? I will be surprised to see Prores RAW in a Canon camera as they are partnered with Codex for RAW on the C700 and it seems somewhat committed to CRL on the C200 and perhaps the C300 MKIII when it finally arrives? Canon plays their cards very close to the vest so really nobody knows for a fact.
 
DLD said:
FWIW, this is the professional camera rental top 10 for 2017.

https://blog.sharegrid.com/blog/the-top-ten-rented-gear-of-2017

And this is for 2018 (both by ShareGrid, so let's give them a round of applause)

https://insights.sharegrid.com/

Lens Rentals have their own list and their top 10 are all DSLR/DSLM now.
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Interesting the shift from 2017 to 2018, the C300 MKII was quite a bit more popular than the FS7 in 2017, yet in 2018, the C300 MKII isn't even in the top ten and the BMD cameras are popular in the low end. That would point that possibly the C200 stole a lot of the 300 MKIIs appeal but the C200 doesn't appear in the 2018 top ten either. Maybe all of the C300 MKII renters switched to Sony?
 
puredrifting said:
The FS7 and FS7 MKII are far more popular nationally than the C300 MKII but here is LA, in particular, I still see a lot more C300 MKIIs.
I am working the NAACP Image Awards this weekend and it will be interesting to compare how many FS7s versus C300 MKIIs I see on the red carpet, I'll report back.
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I just shot 2.5 days of studio interviews for director Billy Corben (Cocaine Cowboys [Pt 3 Los Muchachos in this case]) on C300II with Canon CN-E 30-105.
They'd done some earlier shoots before I came onboard with Red Helium 8k, but decided it was overkill, went back to Canon, like the look.
This is for a Netflix Original 6 part series.
 
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puredrifting said:
Interesting the shift from 2017 to 2018, the C300 MKII was quite a bit more popular than the FS7 in 2017, yet in 2018, the C300 MKII isn't even in the top ten and the BMD cameras are popular in the low end. That would point that possibly the C200 stole a lot of the 300 MKIIs appeal but the C200 doesn't appear in the 2018 top ten either. Maybe all of the C300 MKII renters switched to Sony?
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My speculation is that 5D MKIV, GH-5/5S and even XT-3 and EVA1 (in addition to the already present A7RII and III, A7SII, A7III, etc.) each took slices of the low end professional shooter market. In terms of the EF-mount, it's likely that the current shakeout has C300 MKII, C200, 5DMKIV, 1DXII and EVA 1 each picking up chunks of the territory but not sufficient chunks to appear on the Top 10 list.
 
DLD said:
FWIW, this is the professional camera rental top 10 for 2017.

https://blog.sharegrid.com/blog/the-top-ten-rented-gear-of-2017

And this is for 2018 (both by ShareGrid, so let's give them a round of applause)

https://insights.sharegrid.com/

Lens Rentals have their own list and their top 10 are all DSLR/DSLM now.
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I’m sure it varies by market, but I’ve been renting my gear out on Sharegrid since they first opened in San Diego about 2 years ago and about 98% of the people who have rented from me are more beginners, often DSLR users renting a gimbal or an Easyrig for the first time. I’ve only rented out my C200 once on there. Then again San Diego has always been a market where everyone owns their own camera.
 
chris f said:
I’m sure it varies by market, but I’ve been renting my gear out on Sharegrid since they first opened in San Diego about 2 years ago and about 98% of the people who have rented from me are more beginners, often DSLR users renting a gimbal or an Easyrig for the first time. I’ve only rented out my C200 once on there. Then again San Diego has always been a market where everyone owns their own camera.
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C200 seems like a good option for someone to try and improve their skills, if their prior experience was mostly with DSLR/DSLM cameras. Renting a Red or an ARRI might be too much of a leap. Additionally, given the ever falling prices and the ever increasing performances of cameras, ownership of a $5,000-$10,000 model should fit a budget of a working professional quite easily.

PS. Had BMD come out with a $2,500 s35 version of Pocket4K, the retailers would not be able to keep it in stock (it's a joke ... sort of)
 
The XT3 keeps coming up in this forum and I am curious how many are buying glass or adapting? I am unsure why it's getting so much attention other than cost.
 
DLD said:
FWIW, this is the professional camera rental top 10 for 2017.

https://blog.sharegrid.com/blog/the-top-ten-rented-gear-of-2017

And this is for 2018 (both by ShareGrid, so let's give them a round of applause)

https://insights.sharegrid.com/

Lens Rentals have their own list and their top 10 are all DSLR/DSLM now.
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I'd like to see a breakdown by market segment(i.e: broadcast/network, corporate, commercial/feature, etc.), because in my biggest segment(broadcast/network), you generally only see a DSLR/mirrorless on a gimbal(and then it's still not the primary)(or lock-off 2nd or 3rd cam when there's no budget). The cameras you see most now are F5/55, Fs7/II, C300(usually original) and on the high-end feature guys, some with Amira's and RED's. And of course lot's of us still with our true ENG cameras(VariCam's and HDX-900's). Although some guys are just using their Fs7's and F5/55's for ENG, now, too(which I don't understand unless their ENG camera has died or needs a really expensive repair).
 
George Loch said:
The XT3 keeps coming up in this forum and I am curious how many are buying glass or adapting? I am unsure why it's getting so much attention other than cost.
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Both! I have the Fringer Fuji X-Pro adapter and mainly use the Canon EF S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 OIS STM and the EF 70-200mm f/2.8 IS II USM as well as the Fuji XF 16mm f/1.4 and the XF 18-55mm f/2.8-4.0 OIS. The Canons seems to work quite well on the X-T3 but are kind of large and make the camera front heavy. The Fuji XF lenses are great though. We have the C200 though so we already had Canon lenses. The X-T3 is getting a lot of attention because it has the best value equation in the mirrorless market and makes great looking video with internal 10-bit. Fuji color science is beautiful.
 
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I'd like to see a breakdown by market segment ...
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Would that even be possible without them sending out a questionnaire or including it in the rental form?

In any case, a juicy A7SIII rumor just popped up on the "NAB rumors" thread. Those of you under the NDA might/should know the particulars but ... if the camera is indeed a major step forward, the absence of C100 MKIII would make a lot of sense. Canon, obviously, could make something very similar but they would not want to flout the cartel rules now, would they?
 
DLD said:
Would that even be possible without them sending out a questionnaire or including it in the rental form?

In any case, a juicy A7SIII rumor just popped up on the "NAB rumors" thread. Those of you under the NDA might/should know the particulars but ... if the camera is indeed a major step forward, the absence of C100 MKIII would make a lot of sense. Canon, obviously, could make something very similar but they would not want to flout the cartel rules now, would they?
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If the A7 SIII isn't 10-bit, what's there to get hyped about? What will it do that the existng A7 variants don't do? I've shot with a friends A7 II, and rented a few of the other variants, other than amazing low light capability, I never got why everyone is so in love with these cameras?
 
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puredrifting said:
If A7 SIII isn't 10-bit, what's there to get hyped about? What will it do that the existng A7 variants don't do? I've shot with a friends A7 II, and rented a few of the other variants, other than amazing low light capability, I never got why everyone is so in love with these cameras?
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I think it’s a combo of a teeny-tiny “FF” camera, the Sony name and they have an XAVC variant and s-log. Heck, Sony was even selling F5/55 & a7 packages several years ago, hyping the a7 as a b-cam to the F cam’s. But now a lot of people have abandoned recording s-log on it, because it’s only 8-bit and falls to pieces in all but the gentlest of grades. The guys I know say they are getting better results burning in a normal look and grading that.

I’ve never bought one, because I have several 5D’s((2x)II, III, IV) if I need a lock-off 2nd/3rd/whatever when the budget is tight. But if a new 7 is announced, who knows... Maybe I’ll finally get one. There is something to be said to having matching gear with the guys you shoot with a lot.
 
An a7II, lol? Or an a7III?

The reason everyone is so in love with them is because they indirectly put the X-T3 on your table.

Sony was loading up their cameras with features in 2014, 2015 at a time when Canon was working on their next 720p DSLR for $10,000 and Fujifilm didn't even know what video was. (Of course they did, but it was rudimentary.)

These cameras raised the bar for mirrorless systems. They were the bar!

You could say Panasonic helped as well - and they absolutely did - but the asterisk will forever float near their achievements because of the sensor size.

Sony literally almost did everything first (vs. the Japanese hybrids):

- First remarkable low-light camera (a7S)
- First real world "I can actually use this in a production" auto-focus camera (the a6300 shipped first before the 1DX Mark II that year)
- First video-oriented camera with IBIS (a6500)
- First 4K full-frame camera
- First 1080/120p that actually looked pretty decent for the time (a7SII)
- First FF/S35 switchable mode
- The only mirrorless that had its S-Log updated (1-2-3) as new models emerged

So people are excited for the a7SIII for all of the above plus improvements plus more like Sony's first 4K/60p camera, 10-bit, possibly 8K, etc.

You - others - may not like the colors/etc, but they are great cameras with a fantastic selection of lenses, and there is no doubt that Sony made a significant contribution to the affordable mirrorless cinema camera world.

They are a major reason why we are seeing what we are seeing in many of these bodies today.
 
puredrifting said:
If A7 SIII isn't 10-bit, what's there to get hyped about? ...
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If it doesn't have 10-bit, at least, out to an external recorder and a top-notch auto focus, then it's DOA ... even if its sensor has 16 stops. It will have a very hard time competing with Z6, especially when/if it gets the external ProRes Raw via Atomos.

As to the ISO performance, the landscape has changed since A7S came out 4 1/2 years ago.
 
DLD said:
... then it's DOA ...
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You don't know what you're saying, lol...

The a7SIII is the most anticipated camera of all time (besides the Pocket 4K for that group).

It has tremendous name value. And a very strong community. And a lot of compatible glass.

The Z6 is so awesome, but still young with very few native and expensive lenses (for the best AF), and it stills needs an external recorder for even Z-Log let alone RAW. It also uses inconvenient media and could end up costing someone more than the a7SIII!

It's going to have competition - no doubt about it - but it's Sony making the camera.
 
NorBro said:
You don't know what you're saying, lol...

The a7SIII is the most anticipated camera of all time (besides the Pocket 4K for that group).

It has tremendous name value. And a very strong community. And a lot of compatible glass.

The Z6 is so awesome, but still young with very few native and expensive lenses (for the best AF), and it stills needs an external recorder for even Z-Log let alone RAW. It also uses inconvenient media and could end up costing someone more than the a7SIII!

It's going to have competition - no doubt about it - but it's Sony making the camera.
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I have not had my hands on it but so far the Z6 reviews for video shooting are lukewarm at best and I have heard the internal audio is really bad, the AF, not good. Have you tried it yet? The idea of RAW on the Ninja V is cool certainly.
 
NorBro said:
An a7II, lol? Or an a7III?

The reason everyone is so in love with them is because they indirectly put the X-T3 on your table.

Sony was loading up their cameras with features in 2014, 2015 at a time when Canon was working on their next 720p DSLR for $10,000 and Fujifilm didn't even know what video was. (Of course they did, but it was rudimentary.)

These cameras raised the bar for mirrorless systems. They were the bar!

You could say Panasonic helped as well - and they absolutely did - but the asterisk will forever float near their achievements because of the sensor size.

Sony literally almost did everything first (vs. the Japanese hybrids):

- First remarkable low-light camera (a7S)
- First real world "I can actually use this in a production" auto-focus camera (the a6300 shipped first before the 1DX Mark II that year)
- First video-oriented camera with IBIS (a6500)
- First 4K full-frame camera
- First 1080/120p that actually looked pretty decent for the time (a7SII)
- First FF/S35 switchable mode
- The only mirrorless that had its S-Log updated (1-2-3) as new models emerged

So people are excited for the a7SIII for all of the above plus improvements plus more like Sony's first 4K/60p camera, 10-bit, possibly 8K, etc.

You - others - may not like the colors/etc, but they are great cameras with a fantastic selection of lenses, and there is no doubt that Sony made a significant contribution to the affordable mirrorless cinema camera world.

They are a major reason why we are seeing what we are seeing in many of these bodies today.
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The whole tie to the F5/55 as a B or C camera, that makes sense, I didn't know that.
 
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