C300: C300 mkII rumours are getting serious

There are a lot of factors at play here.

Sony designed and manufactured sensors is one of the reasons - perhaps, the sole reason - why Nikon has not entered the 4K video race. But this alliance makes a lot of sense for both corporations - Nikon is a major player in the DSLR market, Sony is not. Sony is the top seller with their mirrorless products while Nikon lags there big time. But, now with the 5DS sensors rumored as being also manufactured by Sony, the overall trend of the photo-video industry is toward the outsourcing of the sensor manufacturing to the biggest players while shifting own sensor fabs toward the industrial, medical and military markets. With the photo-video share of the sensor world shrinking and a tremendous overcapacity remaining from the decade/half-a-decade ago, this type of consolidation is inevitable and IMO, it leaves the consumers with a poorer list of options. Add to that the Japanese much greater tolerance of both vertically and horizontally integrated companies - something that the US Justice Department Anti-Trust Division might frown upon - and you see some very strange market conditions that is, for example, absent in the automotive industry. This allows some players to dominate selected market segments and have their competitors dominate others without going head-to-head on every front for the duration of these arrangements.

LeoGrey said:
... Panasonic's recent string of cameras have been very similar to gopro's, beautiful in broad daylight but not good for much else. They are competing more with blackmagic for market share then Sony or Canon right now. Indeed it could all change with just one product release, but more of a hailmary then any kind of certainty...
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The rumored specs, if true, will make them a much bigger competitor than the GH4 has been to the C-300/F5 types. The proof is, naturally, in the pudding ...
 
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DLD said:
The rumored specs, if true, will make them a much bigger competitor than the GH4 has been to the C-300/F5 types. The proof is, naturally, in the pudding ...
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Would love for nothing more than to see Panasonic return to the professional market with a competitive product. As I said though, a hail mary more than any kind of certainty.
 
Matt Turner said:
Interesting that Sony now may be getting out of TVs and phones and concentrating on Playstations and "camera sensors"... which means Canon will have to knock it out of the park with the C300/C500 Mk IIs just to keep up. I can only imagine what Sony could come up with in the next 3 years if Canon keeps to it's current lifecycles while Sony steps it up a notch:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/18/us-sony-strategy-idUSKBN0LM05X20150218
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Canon has been underwhelming on paper, and overwhelming in the real world. I imagine US statistics would also show the C300 as a similar major player in the industry.

"This year's results reveal that the continuing appeal of a cost effective large sensor camera with interchangeable lenses has kept the Canon C300 at the top for the third year running."

http://www.televisual.com/news-detail/Top-Ten-Rental-Cameras-The-Report-_nid-5109.html
 
LeoGrey said:
Would love for nothing more than to see Panasonic return to the professional market with a competitive product. As I said though, a hail mary more than any kind of certainty.
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It'd be awesome if they made a cheaper version of their new Varicam S35 to compete with the hopeful follow-up to the c300.
 
Chiskon said:
It'd be awesome if they made a cheaper version of their new Varicam S35 to compete with the hopeful follow-up to the c300.
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Yes, kinda miss cameras like the dvx-100 and hvx-200. If they crammed an S35mm chip into an HVX form factor, with a universal lens mount, they could reclaim their earlier glory days.
 
Chiskon said:
It'd be awesome if they made a cheaper version of their new Varicam S35 to compete with the hopeful follow-up to the c300.
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I think you may have it backwards. The c300 will be a cheaper version of their varicam :) Minus the RAW, which in all truth no companies outside of ARRI or RED seem to have gotten right.
 
With the launch of Arri Alexa "mini" I believe there is a new horse in the race @ around $30-40k.

Whilst this doesn't effect C300 directly (different market entirely ) it will effect the C500 price/feature structure with flow ons in turn to the C300. So what ever is announced @ NAB it better be super competitive and deliver with no hold backs, something Canon hasn't been great at.
 
Surf it Mike said:
With the launch of Arri Alexa "mini" I believe there is a new horse in the race @ around $30-40k.

Whilst this doesn't effect C300 directly (different market entirely ) it will effect the C500 price/feature structure with flow ons in turn to the C300. So what ever is announced @ NAB it better be super competitive and deliver with no hold backs, something Canon hasn't been great at.
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Not really. That's a pretty niche product. The higher Canon will probably try more to compete with the Amira... basically priced in the same league anyways around $40k.
 
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It'd be awesome if they made a cheaper version of their new Varicam S35 to compete with the hopeful follow-up to the c300.
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But even a Varicam at half of it's current cost with a highly hobbled feature set would be more in the cost territory of the C500 or new C500, at least. New Varicam is $56k for the body for the Varicam 35. Not really playing in the Canon or RED leagues, they are going after Arri.
 
My plan has been to pick up a C300II for around $12K. Depending on spec...I could be a poor man. If the C500II or C700 came out for $20K-$25K...I would seriously consider it.
I would love to have 4444, 4K, Global Shutter, and HFR.
 
I saw that C700X post on CW and PR.

4K + 10bit 4:4:4 + Global Shutter + on-sensor stabilisation - sounds way too good to be true.

However, if it is true, and given that it's Canon, it will most likely cost more than any indie filmmaker could likely afford...
 
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