C300: C300 Mk II down to $9,999.

Liam Hall said:
Lol, you are such a fan boy. This has nothing to do with the C200 and everything to do with the FS7. Open your eyes.
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Maybe it does have everything to do with the FS7...but if you knew me, you'd know I love all cameras and I discuss every single one of them.

You could have also expressed your thoughts differently. It's important to be nice, lol.

And for the record, if I was a fanboy of my own camera, you'd never see me here again.

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The video of the franken rigged C300 is very interesting. The overall shape of the final rig resembles the shape of the familiar 2/3" camera bodies that some think of as uncool. Strange to go so far as to return where one started. I can't imagine the cost of the entire franken setup. Seems like a lot to go through for a little shallower DOF. A DVX200 form factor along with better imaging chips than its current chips and codecs would be much more useful, hand holdable, lighter and much less expensive. When shooting in a fluid and sometimes close environment, I prefer small to large when it comes to form factor. The C300 rig is large and makes the shoot kind of limited to two types of shots, on the shoulder and that uncomfortable looking side hold shot. Not ideal in comparison to the almost unlimited variety of a smaller camera. Just sayin' :) Ergonomics still have a ways to go in some areas.
 
The C200B is a pretty perfect size if you don't want/need everything else (including the EVF) and would like to save $1500.

I also like how you can just buy the monitor and mount it however you'd like (with your own accessories/support gear).
 
The price drop has nothing whatsoever to do with FS-7. In fact, a shrewd market observer might say that it was predetermined upon the camera release two years ago, as long speculated on this forum.
 
Spartacus said:
The C series cams also shine , when in small confined spaces, like cars or crowded events.
As shown in Matt's video, the power of the Cs form factor is, you can always build it as big as you wish, but when in need for less, you can't slice in half a FS7, Amira and the likes...
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The way I see it, as a biased Fs7 owner, is that the Fs7 can be a full-sized camera or stripped down to be a c300 type camera. Whereas the C300 is a one-trick pony that, even with carefully thought out aftermarket rigging, still doesn't make for as good of a shoulder-mounted camera as an Fs7 in full-size mode. The Fs7 has dual capability. The C300 is singularly capable.

An Fs7 sans extension unit is roughly the same size as a C300, for all practical purposes.


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You'll do well making C300 color science argument. But not so much trying to sell anyone on the C300's form factor. Anyone who doesn't think the C300's form factor sucks donkey balls is in denial, self-deluded, or both. The C300 is, as the saying goes, "a horse designed by a committee". :laugh:
 
JPNola said:
But not so much trying to sell anyone on the C300's form factor. Anyone who doesn't think the C300's form factor sucks donkey balls is in denial, self-deluded, or both. The C300 is, as the saying goes, "a horse designed by a committee". :laugh:
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Yeah lets get those eng cameras on a handheld stabilizer, gimbal, drone, tight space, car shots and on and on and on. C's FTW.
 
JPNola said:
The way I see it, as a biased Fs7 owner, is that the Fs7 can be a full-sized camera or stripped down to be a c300 type camera. Whereas the C300 is a one-trick pony that, even with carefully thought out aftermarket rigging, still doesn't make for as good of a shoulder-mounted camera as an Fs7 in full-size mode. The Fs7 has dual capability. The C300 is singularly capable.

An Fs7 sans extension unit is roughly the same size as a C300, for all practical purposes.


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You'll do well making C300 color science argument. But not so much trying to sell anyone on the C300's form factor. Anyone who doesn't think the C300's form factor sucks donkey balls is in denial, self-deluded, or both. The C300 is, as the saying goes, "a horse designed by a committee". :laugh:
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I bought the Rhino Rig for $300 used and it makes my C300 mark II into a dream shoulder cam for corporate work. It is very light weight and the weight/structure is so well distributed I can literally let go with with both hands and it will comfortably hang on my shoulder/upper back without any additional counter weights or batteries. What's even better about this is I can place it on/remove in 1 second using a quick release plate and utilize the C300 Mark Ii's fantastic viewfinder (lack of a real EVF being one of the reasons I skipped the FS7).

I'm NOT aying the C300 Mark II is without faults. No 4K 60p?? No full sensor readout on higher frame rates? Those are embarrassing omissions and are huge strikes against the C300 Mark II in my book.

But it's form factor, if you do corporate work like I do, is a dream. I can pop it on to my Movi with a quick release, pop it off and shoot on sticks, pop it off those and shoot on my streamlined shoulder rig, pop it off that and handhold it like an old school medium format camera. It's fluid and comfortable.

The FS7 awarkwardly long for a gimbal, (without the extension unit or other accessories) is too short for comfortable shoulder operation, and has a terrible EVF substitute.

That being said, you obviously don't agree with me, not I with you, and I don't think we will convince each other.
 
Jaime Valles said:
I keep telling people about the Davis & Sanford Steady Stick but nobody believes me that it's any good:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...O5x4oGEG_5ZTxz3-9v37khtq2gldKuSV8NRoCktbw_wcB


It's a super-simple design that keeps all the weight on my hips rather than arms or shoulder. Attaches to the camera in seconds, I can walk for hours with my C100 in front of me when using this thing, and it maintains the handheld feel of the footage without any of the fatigue. And at less than $70 it's a steal.
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Wonder if it would work with a Helix Jr?
 
JPNola said:
The way I see it, as a biased Fs7 owner, is that the Fs7 can be a full-sized camera or stripped down to be a c300 type camera. Whereas the C300 is a one-trick pony that, even with carefully thought out aftermarket rigging, still doesn't make for as good of a shoulder-mounted camera as an Fs7 in full-size mode. The Fs7 has dual capability. The C300 is singularly capable.

An Fs7 sans extension unit is roughly the same size as a C300, for all practical purposes.


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You'll do well making C300 color science argument. But not so much trying to sell anyone on the C300's form factor. Anyone who doesn't think the C300's form factor sucks donkey balls is in denial, self-deluded, or both. The C300 is, as the saying goes, "a horse designed by a committee". :laugh:
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Big LOLS!

What about a RED or an Alexa Mini then? Horse designed by a committee also?
Take away the arm and the VF and you have pretty much the same starting base that can build any rig you want.
You're obviously looking at this from an ENG perspective and not a Cinema one, that's the real debate here when it comes to ergonomics...
 
NorBro said:
Maybe it does have everything to do with the FS7...but if you knew me, you'd know I love all cameras and I discuss every single one of them.

You could have also expressed your thoughts differently. It's important to be nice, lol.

And for the record, if I was a fanboy of my own camera, you'd never see me here again.

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A bit off topic: how do you like the Raven?
 
Going back to the original topic, lets face it, every camera in this segment of the market pretty much has a shelf life of 2 years or so... that will probably become a yearly thing soon, manufactures always win here by giving you one USP feature and taking away another and this is how we get suckered into buying 2 or 3 or more cameras to make our job easier or complicated however you want to look at it.

I remember when I first starting cutting FS7 4K footage and thinking I don't really need much else for a very long time but I then started noticing projects I liked that used the C300MKII and got curious testing out C300 MKII footage vs the FS7 and seeing a big difference between the image on the timeline hence why I sold the FS7 and took the plunge back to Canon after 2 years of FS7, the price point had just come down which is what got my attention.

I think the fact that this price drop has happened will get more shooters curious and doing the same, you don't realize until you start working with this camera how good it is, I don't care much for the high speed at 4K as I don't need it for most of my work but if I do the 2K still works very well and if it is critical for a project then hire a RED for that job, simple.

For under $10K with the low light, AF and that color science, especially skin tones it's now a bargain, even the 2K 12bit 4444 image blows the 4K 10bit FS7 image out of the water, bring on the MKIII and use this as b-cam or go C200 for the pair and it's pretty hard to want more.
 
DLD said:
MKIII on the way?

As for pricing, it dropped $4,000 after the first year and $2,000 more after the second. Waiting for more trees to fall, mainly C700, which is still $28,000 retail.
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Nah... it's a response to the following things:

- Friday Sony dumped the price of the FS7 and FS7 II at UK retailers
- EVA-1 coming this fall
- C200

Hopefully this will trickle down everything :D
 
cane141 said:
A bit off topic: how do you like the Raven?
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I love it. It's such a fun camera to use. The DSMC2 side handle has to be the one of the most brilliant accessories ever engineered. I would say more, but don't really want to take away from the conversation here.
 
mico said:
I like cameras to be as small as possible, so yayyy for the c200 which I think is the smallest its ever going to get with that feature set and if you want a shoulder rig and don't want to frankenrig just get this:

http://www.ergocine.com/lion-r2-.html
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Wow, that is seriously funky and kind of interesting. Wonder if a rental house has anywhere them? No way I would drop $1,200.00 to try one but it is original, for sure.
 
JPNola said:
The way I see it, as a biased Fs7 owner, is that the Fs7 can be a full-sized camera or stripped down to be a c300 type camera. Whereas the C300 is a one-trick pony that, even with carefully thought out aftermarket rigging, still doesn't make for as good of a shoulder-mounted camera as an Fs7 in full-size mode. The Fs7 has dual capability. The C300 is singularly capable.

An Fs7 sans extension unit is roughly the same size as a C300, for all practical purposes.


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You'll do well making C300 color science argument. But not so much trying to sell anyone on the C300's form factor. Anyone who doesn't think the C300's form factor sucks donkey balls is in denial, self-deluded, or both. The C300 is, as the saying goes, "a horse designed by a committee". :laugh:
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I'm with you JP, I hate the form factor on the C series cameras, other than the C700, which even if I could afford, is too large and heavy for my style of shooting. My Franken rig is a PITA to build and transport the camera with. Once on my shoulder, it works fine, but on tripod, it sucks, it's too tall, the grip relocater extension arm has to be moved back up to where I can reach it (to be fair, the FS7 is the same in the grip relocater department). The C series cameras are fine on tripod when stripped but so are almost all cameras.
 
legrevedotcom said:
Nah... it's a response to the following things:

- Friday Sony dumped the price of the FS7 and FS7 II at UK retailers
- EVA-1 coming this fall
- C200

Hopefully this will trickle down everything :D
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C200, yes. But that was also pre-planned.

EVA-1? Maybe. Canon generally doesn't respond to other manufacturers.

FS-7? No. It's been out for three years and C300MKII for two. It's getting close to the end of the cycle for both.

PS. As a side note, the site that can't be mentioned unloaded on Canon yesterday for crippling the video features of its consumer products when comparing them to Sony and Panasonic (Fuji and Olympic also should have been mentioned) in the same price range. And I say, about time. Give'em hell, Harry.
 
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