C300: C300 Mk II down to $9,999.

ha, it couldn't even make it through the summer...

I think that says a lot about how the C200 is doing with preorders.
 
MKIII on the way?

As for pricing, it dropped $4,000 after the first year and $2,000 more after the second. Waiting for more trees to fall, mainly C700, which is still $28,000 retail.
 
Damn, that is tempting. But I have a C200 on early pre-order with B&H and internal Cinema RAW Light and that touchscreen are calling my name ;-)
 
It was the right thing to do, though the price drop comes a few months earlier than I expected! I would get the C300 II over the FS7 II any day. Much better build quality, AF features, RAW output without having add an add-on...
 
Doctor Wu said:
I would get the C300 II over the FS7 II any day. Much better build quality, AF features, RAW output without having add an add-on...
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The C300 II is very heavy to hold with hands, and you need something to mount it on your shoulder. Furthermore you can't zoom without power zoom on FS7, on C300 you can zoom only on a tripod and with hand. I think that FS7 is more ergonomic than C300/C200 and more simple to shoot with.
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
The C300 II is very heavy to hold with hands, and you need something to mount it on your shoulder. Furthermore you can't zoom without power zoom on FS7, on C300 you can zoom only on a tripod and with hand. I think that FS7 is more ergonomic than C300/C200 and more simple to shoot with.
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Not everyone one uses it that way.
 
I did a shoot last week with my C300. I had the camera set up for tripod shooting, then the situation changed and we decided to do an impromptu stand up interview while walking around a building. I ended up shooting handheld, I had the 17-55 2.8 IS on the camera, the Zacuto VCT Pro Baseplate and my Ninja Blade attached to a ULCS arm, which was clamped onto the front rod. As usual, the camera became extremely hard to hold steady after the first five minutes and I ended up shooting much of the interview (with a tall guy), looking up his nose, extremely unflattering angle. For the way I work, shooting handheld with any camera stuck in front of my body sucks, I must have shoulder mount. But I didn't have time to move the Blade, mount, cable and power up my Zacuto EVF, attach my Tilta Arri rosette grip extension. It seems like every time I rig the camera for tripod, we end up thinking, "Just grab the camera for a quick walk & talk" or "Just grab the camera and get this b-roll of talent." I should just ALWAYS build it for shoulder mounted shooting I guess.

All goes back to my lament about Franken rigs. I hate them, I so wish the C200 was a normal, shoulder mounted form factor, for documentaries, there is nothing better. Holding a camera in front of your body is a stupid way to shoot most people activities.
 
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Danilo Del Tufo said:
The C300 II is very heavy to hold with hands, and you need something to mount it on your shoulder. Furthermore you can't zoom without power zoom on FS7, on C300 you can zoom only on a tripod and with hand. I think that FS7 is more ergonomic than C300/C200 and more simple to shoot with.
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Yep, theres no fixed use for any of these cameras, you can rig both cams up any which way that suits any shoot situation, it's just a body which can be modular if you need.

You're referring to the cameras and their native stock parts. I found the FS7 incredibly cheap build with the monitor/mic holder and arm, most upgrade these with Shape/Zacuoto/SmallHD etc to make up for the cheap toylike aks it comes with.

The C3000 MKII is next level with the aks but I still like to use wooden camera and SmallHD Aks to build a sturdier more ergonomic rig.

 
puredrifting said:
It seems like every time I rig the camera for tripod, we end up thinking, "Just grab the camera for a quick walk & talk" or "Just grab the camera and get this b-roll of talent." I should just ALWAYS build it for shoulder mounted shooting I guess.
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Have you ever looked into (or use) a good monopod with feet? It's like the best of both worlds...could help you in some situations.
 
I used one in Morocco for a lot of shooting. It's okay but kind of neither here nor there, not super steady like a tripod and not fluid like shoulder/hand mounted shooting. I have one sitting in my gear pile, I just never grab it which must mean that subconsciously, I don't like shooting with it. ;-)
 
DLD said:
A monopod on wheels.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Hot-Sale-Wheel-Dolly-For-Monopod_60123356922.html

In any case, C300 MKIII with Raw Light, 4K @ 60 fps, XF-AVC @ 405 Mbps 10-bit will be coming out next year. Take it to the bank (belonging to the deposed Nigerian prince, who also has a gold mine at a secret location).

$13,000, if you gots the bucks.
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If your prediction is true than it cements that buying the C200 now is a better deal for me. The C300 MKIII will break my $10k threshhold that I vowed I will stay under from now on and I think for my needs, the C200 is a better fit that the C300 MKII. Bet it will have dual Cfast 2.0 slots or maybe CFast Express?
 
puredrifting said:
"Just grab the camera for a quick walk & talk" or "Just grab the camera and get this b-roll of talent." I should just ALWAYS build it for shoulder mounted shooting I guess.
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We all build our cameras differently and sometimes different situations call for different things, but why wouldn't you build it as a shoulder mount for use on the tripod? What's so different about the set-up? My 300 stays on the Zacuto Pro VCT shoulder mount. It's all based around that. Unless it needs to go super tiny, there's no reason for it to ever not be on it. I have the Zacuto Helmet top-plate and handle on top of the 300, the Axis Mini and Graticle for my VF set-up, then on a set of very short rails on the back is a batt plate and the "pod" mounts just above that. If I need to add anything else, like a real camera monitor, I have some Cine-Locks attached to the Helmet. I can also attach a wireless to the back in a few seconds, because I run everything as close as I can to my ENG set-ups. I'd post a pic if I was on my laptop instead of my iPad.

I still hate these little cameras. Maybe one day again they'll build them all like our ENG cameras of yore... one can only dream...
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
I think that FS7 is more ergonomic than C300/C200 and more simple to shoot with.
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While holding a camera in front of your face obviously isn't ergonomic, balancing a heavy rig on one side of your body isn't either.
Also not ergonomic: The part of taking a rig on and off the shoulder puts lots of stress on your rotators.
The C series cams also shine , when in small confined spaces, like cars or crowded events.
As shown in Matt's video, the power of the Cs form factor is, you can always build it as big as you wish, but when in need for less, you can't slice in half a FS7, Amira and the likes...
 
puredrifting said:
If your prediction is true than it cements that buying the C200 now is a better deal for me. The C300 MKIII will break my $10k threshhold that I vowed I will stay under from now on and I think for my needs, the C200 is a better fit that the C300 MKII. Bet it will have dual Cfast 2.0 slots or maybe CFast Express?
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I don't think CFExpress is being made yet (that's what I was going to write ... then I hit search and found a piece from three days ago ... in Dutch).

https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/526...eheugenkaarten-met-pcie-30-en-nvme-bij-delkin

Google translation -

Delkin has shown the first industrial CFexpress 1.0 memory cards, a combination of existing XQD 2.0 and CFAST 2.0 standards. These new cards have the same dimensions and connectivity as the XQD variants, but are addressed via PCI-Express 3.0 and NVMe. The aim is, of course, to enable working with files in high resolutions.

Version 1.0 of CFexpress (or CFX 1.0) works with two PCIe lanes, enough for a theoretical throughput of almost 2 GB / s. For further scaling in the future, the CFexpress standard can be scaled up to eight PCI-Express 3.0 lanes - and thus a speed up to 8 such GB / s.

The CFX cards announced by Delkin are in a metal housing and are based on SLC or MLC memory chips. They will initially be available in capacities of 32, 64, 128 and 256 GB, but there are also 1 TB copies of the schedule.
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So, these will be more than good enough for the uncompressed Raw ... except you'll need a lot of 32 GB cards for a day long shoot.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to buy shoulder rigs for just about all these cameras? I'm asking cause I've never used a shoulder mount.
 
puredrifting said:
I did a shoot last week with my C300. I had the camera set up for tripod shooting, then the situation changed and we decided to do an impromptu stand up interview while walking around a building. I ended up shooting handheld, I had the 17-55 2.8 IS on the camera, the Zacuto VCT Pro Baseplate and my Ninja Blade attached to a ULCS arm, which was clamped onto the front rod. As usual, the camera became extremely hard to hold steady after the first five minutes and I ended up shooting much of the interview (with a tall guy), looking up his nose, extremely unflattering angle. For the way I work, shooting handheld with any camera stuck in front of my body sucks, I must have shoulder mount. But I didn't have time to move the Blade, mount, cable and power up my Zacuto EVF, attach my Tilta Arri rosette grip extension. It seems like every time I rig the camera for tripod, we end up thinking, "Just grab the camera for a quick walk & talk" or "Just grab the camera and get this b-roll of talent." I should just ALWAYS build it for shoulder mounted shooting I guess.

All goes back to my lament about Franken rigs. I hate them, I so wish the C200 was a normal, shoulder mounted form factor, for documentaries, there is nothing better. Holding a camera in front of your body is a stupid way to shoot most people activities.
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I keep telling people about the Davis & Sanford Steady Stick but nobody believes me that it's any good:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...O5x4oGEG_5ZTxz3-9v37khtq2gldKuSV8NRoCktbw_wcB

It's a super-simple design that keeps all the weight on my hips rather than arms or shoulder. Attaches to the camera in seconds, I can walk for hours with my C100 in front of me when using this thing, and it maintains the handheld feel of the footage without any of the fatigue. And at less than $70 it's a steal.
 
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