550D/GH13 comparision shot
- Thread starter Grunf
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...what if folks made it worth his while?
I mentioned that people would pay a premium for a hack like that, but that didn't sway him. He is pushing 50 and seen it and done it, so you probably would have to find a 20 year hacker who is young and ready to change the world.
Grunf. Are you shooting with the same identical LENS? Those are huge variables. On top it all, the 550D image looked very overexposed. The image needs to be properly exposed to do a adequate comparison.
With that said, the detail on the GH1 is really good. I'm sure it's better than the Canons, but the Canon image the exposure is off for sure.
Also, not every lens exposes identical. On my Tamron 17-50 (at 50mm) at f2.8 looks about and half stop darker than the Canon 50mm f1.4 when shot at f2.8.
Like I said, I don't doubt the detail of the GH1, but the Canon is being misrepresented by a poorly exposed shot. Use the same lens, expose both camera's properly, then we have a test.
With that said, the detail on the GH1 is really good. I'm sure it's better than the Canons, but the Canon image the exposure is off for sure.
Also, not every lens exposes identical. On my Tamron 17-50 (at 50mm) at f2.8 looks about and half stop darker than the Canon 50mm f1.4 when shot at f2.8.
Like I said, I don't doubt the detail of the GH1, but the Canon is being misrepresented by a poorly exposed shot. Use the same lens, expose both camera's properly, then we have a test.
GH1 looks good, but it's really only useful to compare if you try and match settings between both cameras. The 550D shot is really washed out. You need to either lower the contrast on the GH13, or up the contrast on the 550D. Because low contrast tends to hide detail while crushed blacks gives the appearance of sharpness.
Canon: Normal picture style, AWB, ISO 100, 1080p25.
Panny: don't know, I had camera for just couple of hours, haven't learn how to change picture styles at that point in time. Sharpening was set to "0" and ISO was 200, I believe.
Ben_B
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Ben_B
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Even if the Gh1 shot is more crushed the dynamic range is still better....look at the clouds! Wowz!
Barry_Green
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I don't know that's a fair conclusion to draw... the Canon just looks overexposed, and that would cause the sky to overexpose, blowing out the clouds... if the canon was stopped down darker to match the GH1, I'm sure it could have held the clouds better than this pic shows, probably at least as well as the GH1 does... all my testing has shown them to be pretty comparable in dynamic range.
The GH1 does look good, but it also looks baked in. And this is not a good example for drawing definitive conclusions because of overexposure and contrast settings on the T2i.
Ben_B
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Yeah the T2i shot does look a little overexposed. Still, I feel like there is some detail in there that won't be there even with similar contrast adjustments, etc. But I think we're in agreement on that. Also I notice some light color contamination/moiré "fringing" (probably not best word as it usually applies to CA but that's the best way I can think to describe it) on the T2i shot on the rocks in the lower left.
This has little to do with the cameras and more about people who use them. Canons render color HORRIBLY in comparison to Nikon and Panasonic. You'd be the first person I've read that thinks that orange skin coming out of Canon cams is beautiful. Hehehe. I'm teasing ya.
But as far as cool and warm looks, that's glass and user defined. Especially when you bring RED into the equation: it doesn't even have a "look" until you designate it as so in post.
No comment on which camera is better. >:] Hahahah just messin'.
Gosh guys, you are hard. I had to go out and take both cameras in tow again 
. This time I used f2.8 24-70 lens for Canon (for those who still believe that 550D kit lens is somehow affecting the detail). Panny is using kit 14-140 lens with aspherical glass.
I dialed down sharpness and NR to minimum on Panny in order to get rid of eventual sharpening. Both cameras were using ISO 100. Aperture was 11 on both. Canon used "Standard" style, so did Panny. Panny average bitrate was less than half of Canon. I used "C" setting for AVCHD bitrate on GH1.
GH13 (1080p25 18Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/gh13s.jpg
550D (1080p25 44Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/550ds.jpg
P.S. I noticed that frame-grabber rescaled Canon image from 1080 to 1094 on first example which may have affected the detail. That is now resolved (I used another grabber). Images above are both 1920x1080, ungraded frame grabs.
. This time I used f2.8 24-70 lens for Canon (for those who still believe that 550D kit lens is somehow affecting the detail). Panny is using kit 14-140 lens with aspherical glass.I dialed down sharpness and NR to minimum on Panny in order to get rid of eventual sharpening. Both cameras were using ISO 100. Aperture was 11 on both. Canon used "Standard" style, so did Panny. Panny average bitrate was less than half of Canon. I used "C" setting for AVCHD bitrate on GH1.
GH13 (1080p25 18Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/gh13s.jpg
550D (1080p25 44Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/550ds.jpg
P.S. I noticed that frame-grabber rescaled Canon image from 1080 to 1094 on first example which may have affected the detail. That is now resolved (I used another grabber). Images above are both 1920x1080, ungraded frame grabs.
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Gosh guys, you are hard. I had to go out and take both cameras in tow again
I dialed down sharpness and NR to minimum on Panny in order to get rid of eventual sharpening. Both cameras were using ISO 100. Aperture was 11 on both. Canon used "Standard" style, so did Panny. Panny average bitrate was less than half of Canon. I used "C" setting for AVCHD bitrate on GH1.
GH13 (1080p25 18Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/gh13s.jpg
550D (1080p25 44Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/550ds.jpg
P.S. I noticed that frame-grabber rescaled Canon image from 1080 to 1094 on first example which may have affected the detail. That is now resolved (I used another grabber). Images above are both 1920x1080, ungraded frame grabs.
Good thing there's a swear filter on DVXUser. That 28-70/2.8 is pretty much a go-to Zoom as well.
That's what I was saying this ENTIRE time. The GH13 is PLENTY capable of an incredibly detailed and sharp image without artificial sharpening. That still is PROOF.
Thanks for doing this. Good grief, GH13 is KILLING it.
Ben_B
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Gosh guys, you are hard. I had to go out and take both cameras in tow again
I dialed down sharpness and NR to minimum on Panny in order to get rid of eventual sharpening. Both cameras were using ISO 100. Aperture was 11 on both. Canon used "Standard" style, so did Panny. Panny average bitrate was less than half of Canon. I used "C" setting for AVCHD bitrate on GH1.
GH13 (1080p25 18Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/gh13s.jpg
550D (1080p25 44Mbit average bitrate):
http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y306/grunf12/550ds.jpg
P.S. I noticed that frame-grabber rescaled Canon image from 1080 to 1094 on first example which may have affected the detail. That is now resolved (I used another grabber). Images above are both 1920x1080, ungraded frame grabs.
That looks much better, especially with sharpness and NR dialed down on GH13. It looks pretty fantastic and is much more detailed then the T2i.
Ben_B
Veteran
Agreed. Well...not that anyone has any choice, the footage speaks for itself, and Malcolm Reynolds is sitting there with his gun drawn just daring me to disagree. Best mod avatar ever.