550D/GH13 comparision shot

[Kholi]

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That's no exclusively (or really at all) what I'm talking about. Though I'm not sure what you mean when you say Money for what? A big light kit to drag out into the street in lieu of shooting under street lights? Or money to find a location that doesn't involve a street or streetlights at all? Either way, it's an impertinent response. The fact is, some people That doesn't really make sense.

It means that it looks like you shot it under a street lamp. AKA cheap, no budget, etc.

And I'm not talking about high noon when I say "the middle of the afternoon" -- I simply mean a situation where there is plenty of available light, i.e. outside in the daytime, or inside in the daytime in a room with lots of windows, etc. If you only like to shoot in situations where a

So you want to see how they compare in no light situations? Pretty much conditions that you probably shouldn't shoot anything serious in anyway?


In lowlight, so far, it's comparable to the Canons. About 1/2 a stop brighter off of what I get with a 7D/5D at the same ISO. At 800ISO the FPN gets to be undesirable.

In broad daylight or well lit situations, GH13 is startlingly High Definition. There is no second guessing if it's HD or not, like Canons. At this point, it's probably THE most HD video image of the DSLR/SLR line-up.

That doesn't make it better, of course.

 

[tylerrad]

In lowlight, so far, it's comparable to the Canons... In broad daylight or well lit situations, GH13 is startlingly High Definition. There is no second guessing if it's HD or not, like Canons. At this point, it's probably THE most HD video image of the DSLR/SLR line-up

Well, it's obvious where your bias lies. I don't deny that the GH13 looks very good to excellent in situations where light is plentiful, but -- for those of us who shoot locations where light is uncontrollable or, by nature, less than optimal (which, I'd imagine, is most people, at least occasionally)-- I'd like to actually SEE a video of the hacked GH1 in low-light to prove to me that it's comparable to the Canons. As of yet, I don't think I've seen any GH13 video where light is at all lacking

 

[Kholi]

Well, it's obvious where your bias lies. I don't deny that the GH13 looks very good to excellent in situations where light is plentiful, but -- for those of us who shoot locations where light is uncontrollable or, by nature, less than optimal (which, I'd imagine, is most people, at least occasionally)-- I'd like to actually SEE a video of the hacked GH1 in low-light to prove to me that it's comparable to the Canons. As of yet, I don't think I've seen any GH13 video where light is at all lacking

LOL Bias? I sold my GH1 already.

If you want to see a video, go request it in the video section. There are a lot of people running around with hacked cameras.

 

[BLUESPIDER]

GH13 looks really nice. On the other hand, I have a T2i and I get really sharp images even after my sharpness is turned down. Now there's no excuses on quality, go out and create some good content!

 

[HHL]

Well, it's obvious where your bias lies. I don't deny that the GH13 looks very good to excellent in situations where light is plentiful, but -- for those of us who shoot locations where light is uncontrollable or, by nature, less than optimal (which, I'd imagine, is most people, at least occasionally)-- I'd like to actually SEE a video of the hacked GH1 in low-light to prove to me that it's comparable to the Canons. As of yet, I don't think I've seen any GH13 video where light is at all lacking

Hey Tylerrad. Honestly. After you've been around this forum for a while, (I'm what I would call a NOBODY new guy), you'll find that there are several people who we all respect because of their LACK of bias. Kholi....is one of them. In addition to that, he is one of the people who has given SO MUCH to this community. So, all respect to you as a fellow community member who has a lot to offer us all...but...ease up a bit.

I'm sure that Kholi can handle it...but still...*trust me*....when you've been on here a while, you'll realize that some of our members deserve BIG RESPECT. Not because they can't handle it....but because they've earned it. See you around for sure. Mad love for all DVXusers.

 

[Gene Sung]

Regarding the low light, here's what Philip Bloom had to say:

"what it is capable of now is a totally new camera and quite mindblowing…new life has been breathed into the GH1 that is for sure. I wonder how it would have fared in the Zacuto shootout with this new bit rate? The thing is it won’t replace my Canons. Yes the codec is a MASSIVE improvement but it doesn’t have the low light of the Canons, not even the T2i and doesn’t come close to the 5Dmkii, but still as MASSIVE leap up."

He did the say the GH1 image quality is better than the Canons. Interesting read. Here's the link

http://philipbloom.net/2010/06/11/3rd-party-firmware-transforms-wimpy-gh1-into-optimus-prime/

 

[ROCKMORE]

GH-1 hack today, Canon hack tomorrow. Life is beautiful.

 

[Kholi]

TECHNICALLY... Tramm already did Canon hack.

Now it's GH13.

So, yeah, CAnon hack yesterday, GH1 hack today.

 

[Barry_Green]

It's 4mm off of RED.

More like 3mm.

The 11-16/2.8 Tokina is probably the fastest you can get CHEAPLY for both the GH1 and T2i.

It'll be about a 14-15mm at the wide end on a GH1.

It's wider than that. The difference is 18%. So an 11-16 on the T2i will look like 13 on the wide end. 1mm vs. 13mm. It's a difference, but it isn't much to worry about.

As said, the 7-14 zoom on the Panasonic is much wider than the 11-16 Tokina. A stop slower, but much wider. It would compare to a 8.25 - 16.5 lens on the T2i.

The 5D is the camera that gets wide for cheap, T2i, 7d and Gh1 are all in the same bracket.

+1

 

[ROCKMORE]

TECHNICALLY... Tramm already did Canon hack.

Now it's GH13.

So, yeah, CAnon hack yesterday, GH1 hack today.

Can you please ask them to hurry up with the next Canon hack, I'm getting bored.

 

[Gene Sung]

Hey Barry,

Do you think that if someone were to hack the 7D, they could add a Motion Jpg codec? I know H264 is more modern, but MJpg seems the superior codec for image quality because it's essentially just a series of still pictures, as opposed to H264 which is more of a motion picture codec.

In After Effects, when you export a .mov as MJpg, it definitely looks better than H264 which I've never really liked that much as there definitely more of a color shift and it's more broken up than MJpg.

Even better than Motion Jpg, is Photo Jpg which looks really great and is what we use a lot to post .mov on-line for clients to view.

From what I have read, it seems that motion JPG is also better at handling the aliasing issue because it's essentially a series of still photos, therefore, the motion picture clip scales much better than H264 (ie. from 1080 to 720). Is there any merit to that assumption?

We should get a firmware request to Canon. Maybe I'll call them on Monday (Canon tech support number 1.800.828.4040) and ask about it. Look at what it did for the GH1?

I am jealous for sure, and hope the 7D will rally back. The 7D could easily be improved as it does have beefier hardware than the GH1, but it depends on if Canon wants to do it. The funniest thing is I bet they already have address all the 7D issues, but didn't plan on releasing it until the next product release. But the GH1 hack throws a curve into their equation for sure.

Didn't Canon just come out with a new codec several months back that is suppose to be really good? Just barely remember it mentioned.

 

[Kholi]

Can you please ask them to hurry up with the next Canon hack, I'm getting bored.

LoL.

Better shoot more! Hell could very well freeze over before that happens. xD


The Canon line-ups are good as is, though. I don't see why anyone's too worried about it. It's a different image that works for its own reasons.

Shoot it up.

 

[Gene Sung]

But Damn it Kholi we want more! The 7D / GH1 is the new arms race. Not sure who is the USA and who are the Soviets.

Shoot, I'm suppose to doing some animating for my own film right now and am wasting too much time on this thread.

We should just bribe Tester 13 and make him come to the dark side. Hehe... Actually in all seriousness.... Any chance of that? He may be our only hope (kind of like Luke Skywalker).

 

[Kholi]

But Damn it Kholi we want more! The 7D / GH1 is the new arms race. Not sure who is the USA and who are the Soviets.

Shoot, I'm suppose to doing some animating for my own film right now and am wasting too much time on this thread.

We should just bribe Tester 13 and make him come to the dark side. Hehe... Actually in all seriousness.... Any chance of that? He may be our only hope (kind of like Luke Skywalker).

LOL!!!! I hear what you're saying. I remember going through this when the EX-1 Came out and I was so angry with my HVX.

Then, I realized I didn't even like the look of the EX1, just the resolved detail if that makes sense.

I wouldn't sweat it!

 

[ROCKMORE]

LoL.

Better shoot more!

I shoot and edit too much already, my brain is fried 24-7, I come here the escape the real world.

 

[Kholi]

I'm here to be distracted from moving my furniture into a new place and not writing...

yes...

 

[Gene Sung]

Well... I think there is hope. Phillipe Bloom acknowledged the GH1 advantage and he's a huge Canon guy and probably has quite a bit of influence on their R&D since he's sold so many cameras for them. I seriously think that without Bloom and his cool videos, the 7D would have sold half as much.

I doubt he wants to shoot on the lower IQ camera anymore than the next guy.

For me, it would be really hard to switch to the GH1 since the Tokina 11-16, the Canon 17-55 f2.8 and the Canon 70-200 f2.8 are probably the best lenses in their respective classes and my favorite lenses, and unless they can adapt them to the GH1 effectively with aperture control, I just don't think I could do it.

 

[ROCKMORE]

For me, it would be really hard to switch to the GH1

Wait a week or two, there will be a new Canon hack to trump the G13 hack. Don't quote me on the time frame, when ever it arrives it will seem like a week from now.

All these cameras shoot such great looking footage already.

 

[HDkilledFILM.]

All these cameras shoot such great looking footage already.

This is the point that I think gets over looked far too often. I might make myself sound old here but when I started in this crazy industry we were cutting film on an old steenbeck with razor blades (god how I miss those days...) and digital betacam was being given a run for it's money by miniDV.:grin:

Sometime's I just step back and think, look at how far and how fast things have come/changed. I'm guilty of looking at the flaws of all this new tech but I've been trying to put it all into perspective... I know people don't like to hear this but it still comes down to how you tell a story. From IMAX to VHS tell me a great story and I'm watching it.

In the real world most people won't notice the difference between the GH13 and the Canon t2i/7d you know why?

Because if they do it's because they're not paying attention to the story and most likely arn't watching your content anymore.

Both camera's kick major butt and these boards are a factor in that. So happy fathers day everybody, I'm gonna go take some footy of my kids!:beer:

 

[tylerrad]

Both camera's kick major butt and these boards are a factor in that. So happy fathers day everybody, I'm gonna go take some footy of my kids!

Well put, friend.