FS7: Would You Buy A Panasonic AU-EVA1?
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Mitch Gross
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EVA1 is EF mount. That is how this camera will be delivered in the Fall.
An EVA1 with M43 mount would mean that almost all native M43 lenses would not cover the sensor. Yes there are adaptors for other lenses but the native lenses would not work.
haha yes..
Clermond
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Michael Thames
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But that was never my point. I guess you have to clarify who is doing the hiring.... right? The opposition was stating professionals never use AF. My counter argument was yes they do, and there are many different profesionals who make money utilizing AF and face recognition. I also, pointed out that walking around with a camera on your shoulder and a viewfinder pulling focus isn't really that hard, and that doesnt make you a profesional.
I would argue most on this forum can walk and chew gum at the same time, one doesn't exclude the other. I think most here are capable of using a follow focus, while finding useful applications for AF and face detection when a situation arises! Making broad sweeping statements about focus issues makes you guys sound like religious fanatics. I don't think AF and Face detection is gonna threaten your livelihood just yet. It most definitely will 5 or 10 years in the future as the technology improves though.
PS. I would never buy a camera without AF, and face detection in this day and age, and I would never buy a camera without 4K raw-light.
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Well thats my point too.. !! its not that hard to pull focus !.. there is skill for some shots..that is learnt over time/practice.. and "knowing " the lens it can become second nature.. unless telepathy makes great strides there is just no way that AF will ever take the place of the operator /directer who ever actually deciding where the focus will be.. or moved between.. a machine will never be able to do this.. just as a machine can never decide the aperture.. they can only work between parameters .. which yes can be set to some extent .. maybe some day ok yes there will be AI of such level that the whole job can be down by a robot/droidy thing.. but AF and AE dont think.. they dont have artistic interpretation .. to shoot your kids saturday football why not.. but at any other level being employed as the Dp/ Cam op.. there is no use for it.. except gimbal or some such.. if i were a dir/producer and paid a decent day rate for a DP.. who turned up and used IS,AF,AE... would not sort of wonder their proficiency !.. would stay in a dentists chair if he /she got out an iPad and started googling "how to fill cavity"..
Nirv
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Newsflash:
There are users Youtube making millions with nothing more than a gorillapod and a 70D in full automatic.
No one gets to define what is professional anymore, rule anything out at your peril and that means in both directions. Don't sneer at kiddo shooting in full auto mode whose final product is both genre defining and a gold mine and if you're the kiddo don't sneer at the crusty ol' fuc*er with 17-120 who gets most things in focus at the first time of asking.
What a change from when I got started, it was a virtual closed shop now anyone can have a go.
There are users Youtube making millions with nothing more than a gorillapod and a 70D in full automatic.
No one gets to define what is professional anymore, rule anything out at your peril and that means in both directions. Don't sneer at kiddo shooting in full auto mode whose final product is both genre defining and a gold mine and if you're the kiddo don't sneer at the crusty ol' fuc*er with 17-120 who gets most things in focus at the first time of asking.
What a change from when I got started, it was a virtual closed shop now anyone can have a go.
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But if / when all the old farts die out.. there will be only kiddos who cant shoot anything but auto ,on a monopod with a stills camera.. are they going to be the dp, s of Breaking Bad.. Mad men.. Bird man.. Arrival..Blade Runner..Kes.. etc.. no they aint .. and all we will have left is crap on you tube.. I would think its a duty of any working DP to be worried about that grim future..
On stake boards no doubt.. that Santa Monica beach walk will be a dangerous place..
Clermond
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don't underestimate the kiddos. Pulling AF is a skill they will learn on a lazy afternoon. It's a wrong conclusion that they cannot pull focus because you don't see them do so. They just don't have the need.
Michael Thames
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Its not just pulling focus though is it.. sorry but I dont share your optimism .. its part of the dumbing down.. already content ..next is the skill sets.. and pay will also follow.. well already has.. its a Fox/intern shot/ crap content future that being played into..
Kiddo here, I place great value on learning the methods of the professionals. I personally never use auto anything unless the situation calls for it. And in cinema, I have yet to encounter a situation that does, but I won't say that one may never arise. I've done AC work, and I make sure to know the practices of an AC in days when film was the only option. I try to apply that to digital work. When I direct, I try to have enough table readings and rehearsals so we aren't 'wasting film' even when we're shooting digita-which has been always thus far for me. Had I not learned about working on film productions, this might not have been my mindset.
My point is, when the educated educate, there is no need to fear of the next generation being incapable. When more experienced DPs invite a youngster to set, or allow one to shadow them, they are providing an opportunity for a member of the next generation to see the way things are done properly, passing information rather than the disinformation that is floating about.
While there are plenty of automatic kiddos, there are also some old school kiddos, and a lot more information available today for learning. But I also wouldn't say that the auto kiddos can't offer innovation to the field either. We live in interesting times, and there may be unexpected and positive things to come from the ubiquity that surrounds film and video currently.
If you have experience, just keep teaching. If someone asks, explain. That is the way to keep misinformation at bay.
But we may be getting a bit off topic.
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My point is, when the educated educate, there is no need to fear of the next generation being incapable. When more experienced DPs invite a youngster to set, or allow one to shadow them, they are providing an opportunity for a member of the next generation to see the way things are done properly, passing information rather than the disinformation that is floating about.
While there are plenty of automatic kiddos, there are also some old school kiddos, and a lot more information available today for learning. But I also wouldn't say that the auto kiddos can't offer innovation to the field either. We live in interesting times, and there may be unexpected and positive things to come from the ubiquity that surrounds film and video currently.
If you have experience, just keep teaching. If someone asks, explain. That is the way to keep misinformation at bay.
But we may be getting a bit off topic.
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You still dont get it man.. its not if it works or not.. actually a bit iffy with the holding out the yellow roll of tape.. its been set hasn't it.. face recognition .. what if in a doc say.. someone pertinent to your story happened by chance to walk by in the back ground.. or sit of that bench.. and you want to pull focus to them.. you would do it as you were thinking it.. in manual mode.. your deciding you dont want the focus of the foreground face.. being a professional DP is not just keeping focus on a face coming up close to the lens.. your post sort of speaks for itself Im afraid ..
haha yes I know not every Kiddo is skating down in Santa Monica with a "Cine " camera ia auto mode shooting from the hip.. with a cappuccino in the other hand..I m really not an old grump A hole.. but really Auto Focus.. if people are learning to rely on this or think the only shot of a person walking towards the camera means they have to pin sharp and the only object in focus at all times.. its not good for the future of this craft.. which is what it is.. nothing special .. but some basic skills are needed...to well .. shoot not like a machine..
NorBro
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Donny, I'm sure you know but if not...you can use a touch screen with auto-focus and literally touch faces as you please.
So it's either rotating a knob or touching a screen.
You might wonder about speed. A human's decision whether to pull slow or fast is one-of-a-kind, but the electronic system also provides us speed control for smooth transitions at variable speeds.
The beautiful art of manual focusing should never, ever go away, but on only the most talented productions in the world will you see the best human focus pulling.
And I'm sorry to say that on everything else, you won't...and auto-focus will be more than good enough and even the better option to use.
So it's either rotating a knob or touching a screen.
You might wonder about speed. A human's decision whether to pull slow or fast is one-of-a-kind, but the electronic system also provides us speed control for smooth transitions at variable speeds.
The beautiful art of manual focusing should never, ever go away, but on only the most talented productions in the world will you see the best human focus pulling.
And I'm sorry to say that on everything else, you won't...and auto-focus will be more than good enough and even the better option to use.
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