Trim editor

[medeamajic]

There was talk about the trim editor in Vegas vs Premiere. I had stated I did not think Vegas had a trim editor like Avid and FCP but I could be wrong. My friend uses Vegas and all we could find were trimming tools and not a dedicated editor. If there is a dedicated trim editor can you please show me how to get to it so I can show my friend. The trim editor is the most important tool for any editor in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAqy2XRXE0o


You need to only watch at about 3:40. I said slide edit in the video but it is a rolling edit. Oh well, thanks in advanced.

 

[David Jimerson]

Here's one of the ways where the difference in approach between Vegas and FCP/PP/Avid is quite clear.

You're much more in need of that kind of a tool in those programs because it's much more difficult to trim on the timeline than it is in Vegas. In Vegas, it's much easier to manipulate the clips directly. When you do a rolling edit or a slip edit, the same dual-frame image appears in the preview window, so you can see end frame/start frame, but you're manipulating the clip directly instead of manipulating a timeline in a separate tool.

So, there is a trimmer in Vegas, like the Source window anywhere else, but there isn't a dedicated tool like that one -- but you really don't need it because of the different style of editing you do in Vegas.

It may not be the way you prefer to edit, but such a tool just isn't all that important in Vegas.

 

[medeamajic]

Premiere has the exact same trimming tools to edit on the timline as Vegas but it is not as efficient in my opinion. The page up and page down keyboard short cut while in the trim editor is what makes the trim editor kick ass. I also have the regular trim tool and rolling edit trim tool right there.

I will let my friend know there is no dedicated trim editor with Vegas. We did not think there was but I could not say for sure.

Thanks for the info.

 

[David Jimerson]

What exactly is it that you're trying to accomplish with this? I mean, what exactly is it that your friend is trying to do or you're trying to teach him to do?

It may be that you're looking to do something you'd do with the trim editor in Premiere, but it's handled in a different way in Vegas.

If what you want to do is have the exact same editing experience in Vegas that you have in Premiere, then, no, that's not going to happen, obviously. But accomplishing the exact same task may simply be done in a different way in Vegas.

 

[medeamajic]

I can use the rolling edit tool in Premiere or the ripple edit tool. I can use keyboard short cuts to change between tools. I can even use the page up and page down keys to go from clip to clip using just the trim tools but I always have to line up the cursor to play back the clip. I also have to click on the clip with the rolling edit tool or riple edit tool. You can do this in Vegas or Premiere but FCP and Premiere will also allow you to set the amount of pre roll for the trim editor. You could set it a 3 second before and 3 seconds after the cut. You trim you hit play, you trim you hit play, you trim you hit play. There is no need to keep repositioning the cursor after each trim edit is made because it is set to 3 seconds before and after the cut. If I have a real complex effect applied to one of the clips and I also use a complex transition I can set the trim editor in loop mode. It might drop frames the frist time it plays but the second time it will play the transition in RT with out dropped frames. The trim editor just makes the editing process a tad bit easier. The trim tools will obviously work but I prefer to have a dedicated trim editor. My friend thought it was a tad bit easier as well.

 

[Efexone]

The trim editor just makes the editing process a tad bit easier. The trim tools will obviously work but I prefer to have a dedicated trim editor. My friend thought it was a tad bit easier as well.

can you clarify why it makes editing easier, in terms of workflow? the Vegas timeline is where media gets edited - "trimmed". why work in a separate window and then import into the timeline when you can bypass it all together. your trying to apply a workflow thats not needed in vegas, simply cause its timeline is way more powerful then other NLE's.

that said,

I do the same thing when I'm forced to edit in FCP. I do all my editing on its bare-bones anorexic timeline. I don't use the silly trim editor. I try to apply my vegas workflow to it, so its understandable we each like to edit the way we want to.

 

[David Jimerson]

I can use the rolling edit tool in Premiere or the ripple edit tool. I can use keyboard short cuts to change between tools. I can even use the page up and page down keys to go from clip to clip using just the trim tools but I always have to line up the cursor to play back the clip. I also have to click on the clip with the rolling edit tool or riple edit tool. You can do this in Vegas or Premiere but FCP and Premiere will also allow you to set the amount of pre roll for the trim editor. You could set it a 3 second before and 3 seconds after the cut. You trim you hit play, you trim you hit play, you trim you hit play. There is no need to keep repositioning the cursor after each trim edit is made because it is set to 3 seconds before and after the cut. If I have a real complex effect applied to one of the clips and I also use a complex transition I can set the trim editor in loop mode. It might drop frames the frist time it plays but the second time it will play the transition in RT with out dropped frames. The trim editor just makes the editing process a tad bit easier. The trim tools will obviously work but I prefer to have a dedicated trim editor. My friend thought it was a tad bit easier as well.

So you just set up a playback loop on the timeline in Vegas. Set your region, then ctrl+shft+L. Or double-click the region. Or click the loop button.

 

[David Jimerson]

can you clarify why it makes editing easier, in terms of workflow? the Vegas timeline is where media gets edited - "trimmed". why work in a separate window and then import into the timeline when you can bypass it all together. your trying to apply a workflow thats not needed in vegas, simply cause its timeline is way more powerful then other NLE's.

that said,

I do the same thing when I'm forced to edit in FCP. I do all my editing on its bare-bones anorexic timeline. I don't use the silly trim editor. I try to apply my vegas workflow to it, so its understandable we each like to edit the way we want to.

Yes, manipulating/trimming clips on the timeline is much easier in Vegas.

 

[El Director]

Agreed. One of the MANY reasons why I haven't touched another NLE in six years.

 

[medeamajic]

can you clarify why it makes editing easier, in terms of workflow? the Vegas timeline is where media gets edited - "trimmed". why work in a separate window and then import into the timeline when you can bypass it all together. your trying to apply a workflow thats not needed in vegas, simply cause its timeline is way more powerful then other NLE's.

that said,

I do the same thing when I'm forced to edit in FCP. I do all my editing on its bare-bones anorexic timeline. I don't use the silly trim editor. I try to apply my vegas workflow to it, so its understandable we each like to edit the way we want to.

I think you are very confused. I do not import anything into the timeline using the trim editor. Did you even watch my video? If you like the way Vegas works that is cool but don't missrepresent howe the trim editor funtions. I can edit like you do in Vegas using Premiere but the trim editor makes it easier in my opinion and my friend feels the same way.

 

[medeamajic]

So you just set up a playback loop on the timeline in Vegas. Set your region, then ctrl+shft+L. Or double-click the region. Or click the loop button.

Why would I want to waste time setting a new region every time I make a trim near a transition when my trim editor has a pre roll option?

Since I have the same trimming tools in Premiere that you have in Vegas would it not be wise to assume that using the trim editor might have some advantages over the trim tool?

 

[medeamajic]

Yes, manipulating/trimming clips on the timeline is much easier in Vegas.

Are you sure about that?


Perhaps I can make a video showing you why I think the trim editor is better. Like I said I have the same triming tools that you have but the trim editor is more efficient in m opinion thna just using the trimming tools.

I will try to make a video using the trim editor Vs. the trimming tools.

 

[Efexone]

I think you are very confused. I do not import anything into the timeline using the trim editor. Did you even watch my video? If you like the way Vegas works that is cool but don't missrepresent howe the trim editor funtions. I can edit like you do in Vegas using Premiere but the trim editor makes it easier in my opinion and my friend feels the same way.

Maybe I'm not using the right terminology, so let me break it down. you import a clip into the trim editor, trim it, then you import (insert, overwrite, place, w/e) the trimmed clip from your trim editor into the timeline, which is classic FCP/premier workflow. nothing wrong with that, in those NLE's.

my question to you is whats the differance between that and "trimming" the clip on the timeline?

- copy and paste functions do the same tricks in vegas and new clips are placed right behind the other. the trim editor is limited to working with one clip at a time. In the timeline, I can fluidly manipulate multiple pieces of media on multiple tracks if I wanted to. WHY would I first bring a clip into a "trim editor" cut it down to size, then bring it into the timeline when I can do the same thing without using it?

 

[David Jimerson]

Are you sure about that?

Rock-solidly so.

Perhaps I can make a video showing you why I think the trim editor is better. Like I said I have the same triming tools that you have but the trim editor is more efficient in m opinion thna just using the trimming tools.

I will try to make a video using the trim editor Vs. the trimming tools.

Sure. The trim editor vs. timeline trimming in Premiere. It's not the same thing as trimming on the timeline in Vegas. I use both. I know which one is easier and more robust on that score, and it isn't Premiere.

Look, you like Premiere better. That's fine. But you're in the Vegas section and you're generally talking to people who like Vegas better. No one's asking you to switch, but they're not looking to switch, either.

 

[David Jimerson]

Maybe I'm not using the right terminology, so let me break it down. you import a clip into the trim editor, trim it, then you import (insert, overwrite, place, w/e) the trimmed clip from your trim editor into the timeline, which is classic FCP/premier workflow. nothing wrong with that, in those NLE's.

my question to you is whats the differance between that and "trimming" the clip on the timeline?

- copy and paste functions do the same tricks in vegas and new clips are placed right behind the other. the trim editor is limited to working with one clip at a time. In the timeline, I can fluidly manipulate multiple pieces of media on multiple tracks if I wanted to. WHY would I first bring a clip into a "trim editor" cut it down to size, then bring it into the timeline when I can do the same thing without using it?

If you watch his video above (starting at 3:40), he's referring to something different, a different tool than the Trimmer. But there isn't anything he does in it which can't be done as easily on the Vegas timeline, as you'll see when you watch it.

 

[Efexone]

i guess i did not watch enough of it then.

 

[medeamajic]

I am not asking anyone to switch to Premiere but at the same time I am not asking for you folks to tell me that the trim tools in Vegas are better. The trim tool does not insert and over write. Are some of you confusing the trim editor with the source monitor? There is no insert and over write with the trim editor.

I will make a video soon to end the confusion. I imagine after I make it you folks will say " Wow, I see your point dude. Maybe I shoud not have been in your face about how great Vegas is".



I just wanted to know if Vegas had a trim editor but I will indeed post a video showing that I have the same funtions in Premiere that you folks have with Vegas. The trim editor just gives me another option.

 

[David Jimerson]

Well, you know what? I asked what you were trying to accomplish so that I could tell you the optimal workflow in Vegas, which in many ways is markedly different from Premiere, but instead, you took it as opportunity to start yet another Vegas/Premiere pissing contest.

I really don't think you're familiar enough with Vegas in all its intricacies to make the statements you're making. I'm very familiar with Premiere and its timeline tools, and I agree that the trim editor is a big help -- in Premiere. But it simply isn't necessary in Vegas, not least of which because Vegas has automatic crossfades which make transitions about a zillion times easier to manage. To say nothing of the greater flexibility of the timeline, which isn't a "tool" so much as it's a workflow enhancement, but it absolutely makes a difference in what we're talking about here.

 

[medeamajic]

Well, you know what? I asked what you were trying to accomplish so that I could tell you the optimal workflow in Vegas, which in many ways is markedly different from Premiere, but instead, you took it as opportunity to start yet another Vegas/Premiere pissing contest.

I really don't think you're familiar enough with Vegas in all its intricacies to make the statements you're making. I'm very familiar with Premiere and its timeline tools, and I agree that the trim editor is a big help -- in Premiere. But it simply isn't necessary in Vegas, not least of which because Vegas has automatic crossfades which make transitions about a zillion times easier to manage. To say nothing of the greater flexibility of the timeline, which isn't a "tool" so much as it's a workflow enhancement, but it absolutely makes a difference in what we're talking about here.

I have the same tools in Premiere that you have in Vegas. I can easily make comments about the trimming tools of Vegas. I used to own it several years ago and much of the GUI is still the same. To mention cross fades proves to me that you don't get it. I will indeed do a video showing you how the trim editor can be more efficient. If you don't use the trim editor that is fine but it works more efficient in my opinion and I think you will agree after seeing my video.

As I have already stated every time you use the trim editing tools you must reposition the cursur to view your edit. Obvioulsy to make sure to don't have a funky jump cut. You must always switch between triming tools with keyboard short cuts or select the tool from the tool bin. All this is eliminated with the trim editor. Trust me I can edit just fine with the trimming tools. I am sure you will agree after I do my video but the trim editor is more efficient. This would be even more true for someone who has only one hand.

Like I said I only wanted to know if Vegas had a trim editor. That is the truth.

 

[Efexone]

I think he's just dying to make another tutorial video!

But seriously. your preaching to the wrong crowd. I agree with David. It doesn't seem like you fully grasp vegas workflow to continue with this argument.