This may sound odd... but i finally got an HDTV... GLORY.

Postmaster said:
There is a reason why they selling them so cheap now, and it´s not the recession.

Plasmas and TFTs are dead, the new technologys are coming next year, so they want to make sure they have enough room to store and display them.

Frank
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I thought anything above 42 inch is verboden in the EU since march ?
Because they suck up to much energy.
 
Sad Max said:
I went with an LED DLP 72" but yeah...
I'm finding that really well-mastered DVDs coming through the Samsung's upconverter are just about indistinguishable from Blu-Rays.
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I have a Samsung LED DLP as well (56") so we probably have the same set, technology-wise. And what you said about upconverted DVD's...I'm finding that to be very true. My GF threw in a RENT DVD and the PS3/TV did such a great job I couldn't believe it.
 
Everts said:
I thought anything above 42 inch is verboden in the EU since march ?
Because they suck up to much energy.
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Nah, they sall wall to wall big arse TVs over here without any problems.

Never heard about any restrictions.

Frank
 
Sad Max said:
I went with an LED DLP 72" but yeah...big HD screens are super-happy funtime.

I'm finding that really well-mastered DVDs coming through the Samsung's upconverter are just about indistinguishable from Blu-Rays. I was watching the re-release of Once Upon a Time in the West and had to keep re-checking the box to confirm that it wasn't a Blu-Ray that I'd gotten by mistake...

ps have you actually watched Glory on it, yet...?
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If your talking about 576P DVD upscaled to 720P, then I can understand, but against 1080P?

Not that I'm saying I don't believe you,

but in theory at least upscaling can not create more data then what currently exists (surely), so high frequency detail should be impossible to create from low frequency detail.


Hmm, I'm starting to wonder if 1080P is a big jump from 576P DVD (upscaled or not)

Anhar
 
Interpolation, I'm guessing.

I'm only describing the naked-eye effect: drop in a BluRay disc and set the screen to 16:9, or drop in a DVD and set to 16:9 - with the right DVDs, the picture quality is basically indistinguishable (and with the wrong ones it's immediately distinguishable).

I look at hair: individual floating hairs on actors' heads look about the same in either format. About as non-scientific a test as you could ask for.
 
Well eyeballing aint always a bad thing..


What would be cool, would be to get the same movie in both 576P DVD (and upscale it) and 1080P Bluray, then using a hardware switcher flip between the two (after color is somewhat calibrated)

and do a blind test, see if the audience can spot which is which?



Anhar
 
puredrifting said:
Still have the Sony 36" NTSC TUBE
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Ours downstairs just died and we replaced it with a Plasma. We got 2 in the house now, woo! I honestly think those old Sony's are the most fantastic SDTV's on the market. They are super clear, sharp, and I just plain love them. I was sorry to see it go honestly. DVD's looked INCREDIBLE on those old TUBE tv's.
 
I am just keeping it because I don't want to try to move it (I think it weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 250lbs if I recall?) It is a beast. I recall when I used to work for Circuit City back in the 80s, Mitsubishi came out with a 40" tube we sold for a while. It was ridiculous, it felt like 300 lbs at least.

The Sony still looks good with a good signal, but watching Planet Earth, the Olympics and my own programs in SD DVD into it makes me realize how much better a nice Panasonic Plasma would look. Someday. Prices are still coming down and I am in no hurry. When the 42" LCDs or OLEDs are under $500.00, I will probably get one.

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Plasma does weigh more then LCD (fact)... a 46" 1080p plasma weighs more then a 50" 720p plasma... a 1080p 46" plasma uses more power then a 50" 720p plasma... but neither uses the actual power that the specs show. A plasma TV's power consumption varies constantly whereas an LCD has a constant draw. The average power consumption of a plasma TV is probably less then HALF it's rated power consumption. Black pixels don't draw power on a plasma TV. 1080p vs. 720p is hard to tell apart from 10' even on a 50".

Hmm... what else? That's all I can think of for now... when I decided I wanted a plasma I went nuts and did major research to figure out which one I wanted.

Oh yeah... beware the cheapy models designed to catch unsuspecting buyers. Do a little research yourself... the 85U models are really good... the 800 models are the best... and the 80U models are good, but not as good as the others. (this is all Panasonic, which is probably the only brand plasma I'd consider in the sub-$1K range, because they sound good, and loud... plus several other factors... including actual contrast... at $899 mine is 30K ratio...)

If you can sit fairly close to your TV... the 1080p is totally worth it... but if you're 8-10' away... hmm... toss up. Do you think you'd sit closer then 8' from a 46-50" TV? No? Give it a week when you're watching a movie you love... you'll get pulled in like a 5 year old.
 
maybe your BR player is not hooked up right....

BR's look 10000% better than SD dvd's any day of the week. even on my 19" 720p screen that used to fill the space now home to the 46"....

now that the screen is bigger, the difference is even more staggering.

i have a PS3, so maybe it doesnt upres sd dvd's well....

Sad Max said:
Interpolation, I'm guessing.

I'm only describing the naked-eye effect: drop in a BluRay disc and set the screen to 16:9, or drop in a DVD and set to 16:9 - with the right DVDs, the picture quality is basically indistinguishable (and with the wrong ones it's immediately distinguishable).

I look at hair: individual floating hairs on actors' heads look about the same in either format. About as non-scientific a test as you could ask for.
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I don't know; the player (Samsung BDP1500) is going into the component jacks and it's supposed to automatically detect the media format and display it to best advantage. Also, while some DVDs look Blu-Ray competitive, others are very clearly second-rate when it some to image quality.

Maybe there are some settings to screw with. Although it's tough to imagine the picture looking better than it already does, and I can imagine quite a bit...

...I was considering a PS3 for use as a player but the Samsung got better reviews for image quality. Not surprising considering that it's a dedicated player, although I hear that the PS3 picture is very good, too.
 
TimurCivan said:
maybe your BR player is not hooked up right....

BR's look 10000% better than SD dvd's any day of the week.
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No doubt about that. Millage will vary from disc to disc, but generally speaking, the Blu Ray blows away DVD, at least in my house.

The Road Warrior for example, I see details that I never noticed before. Street signs, characters in the background. It's amazing.

I only have a few Blu Rays (Dark Knight, Iron Man, T2, Godfather, There Will Be Blood.) But I have nary a complaint.*


*Had to return The French Connection. Freidkin's new color correction is so God-awful. It's a digital, grainy mess.
 
Sad Max said:
...I was considering a PS3 for use as a player but the Samsung got better reviews for image quality. Not surprising considering that it's a dedicated player, although I hear that the PS3 picture is very good, too.
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I have the PS3 (and judging by the sounds of it the same tv as you, only smaller) and it does do a great job. I think your assessment of upconverted DVD's is correct. I think a fantastic Blu-ray will be obviously a Blu-ray source. But, I have seen many DVD's that had me checking my Blockbuster envelope to see if it was Blu-ray.

Many times, it is nearly indistinguishable. I say nearly because without a real-time side by side comparison its a pretty moot point. Thing is, much like its difficult to see the difference between 720p vs 1080p at certain distances, I think the same is true for a good DVD upconversion...especially when compared to a poor Blu-ray...from my experience with my current tv/blu-ray setup.
 
I wonder if its because of Shallow DOF, that the difference between uprezzed DVD and Blu Ray is on par (visually) perhaps?

It would be nice to see HD video source with deep DOF that is burnt as a HD Blu-ray and also a SD DVD thats uprezzed, shown side by side.

Anhar
 
Anhar Miah said:
I wonder if its because of Shallow DOF, that the difference between uprezzed DVD and Blu Ray is on par (visually) perhaps?
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You might be onto something. Though the quality of the source material is important, HOW it was shot can make a difference. My example earlier, RENT, its riddled with close up to median shots which lends itself to a much sharper and detailed image. That's possibly a difference maker. I don't know.



PS Where is Barry Green to make sense of all this when you need him?
 
Well, last night I put in A Room With a View in both DVD and BluRay formats, and watched a couple of the same scenes in tandem a couple of times...

...and from one to the other the picture quality is basically indistinguishable. The BluRay seems a little bit brighter, and that's about it.
 
i think its because youre using component....

i hooked my ps3 up with component and the hd really took a hit. try an hdmi. its like getting a whole new TV.... its that big of a difference...
 
The conventional wisdom (including around here, so far as people have told me) is that HDMI is not necessarily any better than three-channel component...but why not? I'll give HDMI a try.

What's got me *really* excited is the 3-D connection...I'll have to wait for Avatar but I'm looking forward to seeing *that*...
 
Im using HDMI and am getting the same results as Sad Max. I don't think that the issue is that the HD image is bad. Its great. I think the curiosity here is that the DVD upscaled image looks so good. Nearly as good, if not as good as the 1080p.
 
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