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Looking at the spec sheet on Sony website, I see many place that for example the higher frame rate will be as an upgrade. What I would like to know is if it will be paid or not. They could add up to a lot if you have to pay for each and everyone.
 
petermullett said:
This time though I'm not going to jump in right away, call my friends at Abel's and put down an order. My F3 still does pretty much everything I need from a camera of this type and when I need more I will rent it for the job. If and when I am ready to trade up the F3 will probably not worth selling, but it would make an excellent B camera to the F5 / F55. I still regret selling my EX1R when I bought the F3, I really should have kept it.
I am also happy to see that my Sony 18-254 zoom will be supported on the new cameras, thanks Sony....That I was worried about. I still like that lens, more and more in fact.
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I've been saying this for a while now, we've already hit a point of diminishing returns with the image quality we'll see out of large-sensor video cameras. The nice point of which is, the fact that for HD content up to 30fps - an F3 with an external recorder will do 95% of what these two new camera can do.

So although they're newer, and better, and far more intuitively laid out - you'd need a specific reason, a specific purpose to justify the upgrade from an F3 to an F5.

With it's lightweight, ergonomic form factor, 14-stops of DR, frame-rate and recording options, and global shutter - I think the F55 just became the camera to last a looooong time. Because if you can't get what you need with a camera with those capabilities - you could never have got it anyway.

From the looks of it, we now have a camera that can offer us more than any 35mm film camera ever could (in terms of performance, specifications and options - not to mention size/weight). Which surely has to stifle people's constant need to upgrade somewhat?
 
Grug said:
I've been saying this for a while now, we've already hit a point of diminishing returns with the image quality we'll see out of large-sensor video cameras. The nice point of which is, the fact that for HD content up to 30fps - an F3 with an external recorder will do 95% of what these two new camera can do.

So although they're newer, and better, and far more intuitively laid out - you'd need a specific reason, a specific purpose to justify the upgrade from an F3 to an F5.

With it's lightweight, ergonomic form factor, 14-stops of DR, frame-rate and recording options, and global shutter - I think the F55 just became the camera to last a looooong time. Because if you can't get what you need with a camera with those capabilities - you could never have got it anyway.

From the looks of it, we now have a camera that can offer us more than any 35mm film camera ever could (in terms of performance, specifications and options - not to mention size/weight). Which surely has to stifle people's constant need to upgrade somewhat?
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I am thinking about the F55, but still evaluating all angles and really need to know the price before any real analysis can be made.
 
Duke M. said:
Did you guys notice GLOBAL SHUTTER! No more CMOS jello. Other than the Pani (sub HD rez) cameras I can't remember a big company offering a global shutter.

Ok, showing my ignorance here, but what is a "global shutter? Presumably it is an electronic and not a rotating one....
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petermullett said:
Ok, showing my ignorance here, but what is a "global shutter? Presumably it is an electronic and not a rotating one....
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Global shutter means it reads the whole sensor at the same moment in time. CCD sensors traditionally did this, but most CMOS sensors, including the RED, ALEXA, F3, FS700 and others do not. They suffer motion skew, and quick flashes of light (photo flash, lightning) may only appear in part of the frame.

Gobal shutter solves this.
 
petermullett said:
Duke M. said:
Did you guys notice GLOBAL SHUTTER! No more CMOS jello. Other than the Pani (sub HD rez) cameras I can't remember a big company offering a global shutter.

Ok, showing my ignorance here, but what is a "global shutter? Presumably it is an electronic and not a rotating one....
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Yep, it an electronic reading of the entire sensor at once, rather than scanning across the frame progressively. CCDs were always global shutter, and it's why the motion characteristics of most footage went backwards a little when the market switched to CMOS for lower power consumption and no vertical flares.
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Duke M. said:
Did you guys notice GLOBAL SHUTTER! No more CMOS jello. Other than the Pani (sub HD rez) cameras I can't remember a big company offering a global shutter.

Ok, showing my ignorance here, but what is a "global shutter? Presumably it is an electronic and not a rotating one....
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I took the time to read the patent on the technology by Sony and basically rather than a "true" global shutter where all pixels are hit at once by using something like a mechanical shutter as found on the F65, it's actually more like a "global exposure" function which ensures that all of the pixels on the sensor start exposure at the same time and finish at the same time. This is done through electronic control without using a mechanical based shutter to yield exactly the same effect.
 
FS700 - $9k
F3 - $14k
F5 - ???
F55 - ???
F65 - $85k
AXS-R5 - ???

RED Scarlet - $13,900 (what you need to use media and mount a lens)
RED EPIC - $38,000 (what you need to use media and mount a lens)
 
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Danielvilliers said:
Looking at the spec sheet on Sony website, I see many place that for example the higher frame rate will be as an upgrade. What I would like to know is if it will be paid or not. They could add up to a lot if you have to pay for each and everyone.
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All firmware updates are free

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Sony axs-r5

Sony axs-r5

Here the price by a Sony reseller :D:

Product no.:AXS-R5
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Sony AXS-R5

External Recorder

MSRP: 666.666,00 € net​
 
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