Eric Coughlin
Veteran
You can't shoot 1080p at 24 mbps like on a C100, FS5, etc.?
Many of my clients specifically do not want 4K.
C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K
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Many of my clients specifically do not want 4K.
Michael Thames
Carbonite Member
Raw is much more gradable. I think most people would agree the C200 4K raw is better than the C300 MKII. Imagine you don't have to nail color balance and exposure, you can do that in post. Its like a raw photo in lightroom!
The real problem is for those of us with C100 MKI and MKII's trying to match the quality of the C200. Its like starting from ground zero again. Just when you have arrived they change change the destination.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
I know, our C300 and C100 are not going to match the C200 very well probably.
But its not. Its 8 bit. An external recorder can drop that into a 10bit container, but the signal being only 8 bit will not be improved by just increasing the file size during record. Went through all this in the early cinema eos days.
Michael Thames
Carbonite Member
5:00 into this presentation Brent Ramsey says the SDI and HDMI out puts 10 bit 422 for use with a external recorder. What am I not understanding here?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7M6Rzj3OpXc
...I'm just annoyed when I can't find an older titles in blu-ray, as I won't buy DVDs any more.
cpreston
Veteran
That's good to know. I read somewhere that it would only record 4K unless it was set to record proxy with the RAW.
NorBro
Major Contributor
You don't need to have proxy recording on to record 4K RAW, so you can record 4K RAW to the CFast card and that's it.
2K proxies are only available with 4K RAW recording meaning you can't record 2K proxies with 4K UHD .MP4 recording.
So...
(1) 4K RAW (4096 x 2160) via CFast
(2) 4K RAW via CFast and 2K Proxy (MP4) via SDXC Card
(3) 4K UHD (and HD) MP4 via SDXC Card
2K proxies are only available with 4K RAW recording meaning you can't record 2K proxies with 4K UHD .MP4 recording.
So...
(1) 4K RAW (4096 x 2160) via CFast
(2) 4K RAW via CFast and 2K Proxy (MP4) via SDXC Card
(3) 4K UHD (and HD) MP4 via SDXC Card
Sorry I should have been clearer, but posts on the page I took your quote from werent specific either. In 4k it's 8bit, the camera does output 10bit through hdmi / sdi, though in 422 10bit its HD only.
Michael Thames
Carbonite Member
OK great, because that covers both ends nicely for me. HD 10 bit 422 is better than what we have now with the C100.
NorBro
Major Contributor
You may want to double-check the HDMI info when the camera comes out...or at least just take a quick look at the manual.
I'm not saying it doesn't do 1080p 10-bit 4:2:2 via HDMI because I don't know (and obviously the guy in the video says it does even though he's just reading from a teleprompter)...but three pieces of documentation I've come across only mentioned the SDI doing 10-bit 4:2:2. (And I've seen that output signal configurations chart floating around, but it's a bit confusing.)
From the Canon papers:
"In addition to the internal recording, the EOS C200 can output either 1920x1080 YCC 4:2:2 10-bit over the HD-SDI Terminal, or 3840x2160 4:2:0 8-bit over the HDMI, allowing an expansion of recording formats through an external recorder."
Newsshooter:
"Colour depth is limited to 4:2:0 when recording MP4 files to the internal SD cards, although 4:2:2 is apparently output over SDI on a clean feed for external recording."
And the chart below...just again showing it only under SDI.
I'm not saying it doesn't do 1080p 10-bit 4:2:2 via HDMI because I don't know (and obviously the guy in the video says it does even though he's just reading from a teleprompter)...but three pieces of documentation I've come across only mentioned the SDI doing 10-bit 4:2:2. (And I've seen that output signal configurations chart floating around, but it's a bit confusing.)
From the Canon papers:
"In addition to the internal recording, the EOS C200 can output either 1920x1080 YCC 4:2:2 10-bit over the HD-SDI Terminal, or 3840x2160 4:2:0 8-bit over the HDMI, allowing an expansion of recording formats through an external recorder."
Newsshooter:
"Colour depth is limited to 4:2:0 when recording MP4 files to the internal SD cards, although 4:2:2 is apparently output over SDI on a clean feed for external recording."
And the chart below...just again showing it only under SDI.
I remember the VHS era. Kids these days.
Another side note - I've seen a couple of Russian made docs that claim that VCR's was what killed off the old USSR.
Just found this - http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...viet-vcr-video-recorders-komsomolskaya-pravda
Not sure how they arrived at that $1,560 price tag, I assume by using the official ruble-to-dollar conversion rate of the day (only an idiot would do that, however).
The players haven't been out that long and, even then, it's been the HDR tug of war between the manufacturers and so on. And then they had to be TV set compatible. I think, once the dust settles, a lot more classic films will come out and the Christmas shopping season is as good a time as any.
And now we return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
Michael Thames
Carbonite Member
Thanks for the info Buzzkill... ha! Maybe since the chart shows 4K 8 bit 420 at 60p , they are just overlooking the 1080p 10 bit 422 in the chart? So far we haven't seen any disclaimers that it doesn't do 10 bit 422. We can only hope. Maybe I'll call Canon tomorrow and get the scoop. This is an important little detail I'd like to know.
Yeah I think for the HDMI they may mean "upto" 4K UHD 420 60p 8 bit. Id be very surprised if it can do that, that it can't do 1080 422 10bit, however seems SDI is limited to HD.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Yes, all the accessories you need are included in the C200 Camera and C200 24-105mm Kit.
Its the C200B camera that does not include the LCD, Grip, or Mounting Hardware.
Its the C200B camera that does not include the LCD, Grip, or Mounting Hardware.