C200: The new Canon C200 with 4K

SeanHBTVS said:
I had heard that the DPAF doesn't work well (or maybe at all) with the Sigma 18-35. Any word if there's going to be any expanded lens comparability with the C200 or if firmware upgrades have or will hit for current DPAF cameras? I also have a Tamron G2 70-200 f2.8 and was wondering if it would possibly work with that as well. I'm a C100 owner and have been for about 4 years now I think, so looking to finally upgrade. On the fence between the C200 and EVA but the DPAF would be really nice! What is everyone's thoughts on Canon betting that "RAW is the future." Is this because storage space is going to drop, or workflow requirements for the future of post-production? I've never shot raw so I have no perspective on this.

I really like the look of Canons, that's why I never went Sony, but I LOVE the look of the Varicam even more. I'm waiting to see some footage from the EVA to see how it actually stacks up. The Canon look is very clean and pleasing still, but no longer feels like it has as much style to it after watching a ton of Varicam stuff. That being said, knowing I could reliably get more usable shots with the DPAF sounds really, really great. But there's also the 2k 240fps of the EVA as well that has me intrigued. I actually kinda just want to get both of these dudes, but I've gotta pick one first. I also want one that I can use for short films as well as my everyday productions. Sorry for the rambling, it's been a while since I've made a big camera purchase and finally two have came along that I think would be great fits and worthy of an upgrade for me.
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Many of us are going through the same experience. Both cameras look to have amazing features and will make quality images. I think your choice will probably come down to which is more important to you, shooting internal RAW with DPAF or shooting a high quality internal non RAW 4:2:2 10-bit codec to SD cards and having the ability of dual ISO, and some of the other EVA1 exclusive features. Not an easy choice, they both look to be amazing tools. I too would love to own both.
 
balazer said:
Canon Raw Light is already 5:1 compressed, and has a lower bit rate than ProRes 422. How light would you want to go?
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ProRes HQ is 770 Mbps vs. 1 Gbps for Raw Light. Red Code can easily go down to 9:1. Of course, the implementation of Canon's proprietary codec is up to Canon's own engineers (that seems to have been superseded by the power of its executives). My opinion is that a manufacturer should feel compunction to maximize its software performance for the given level of hardware and, in the case of C200, there seems to be a lot of headroom left.

The followup on C200 would then be the trade-off between the camera's image quality and the price of the CFast 2.0 cards. In that, Canon could tackle it in several ways - by increasing the Raw Light compression, offering an alternative/secondary codec or by lowering the pixel count via either line-skipping or even center-cropping. Hypothetically, it could then offer a combination of the above to make a long shoot less taxing on the production budget.
 
puredrifting said:
Fingers crossed. I would not mind settling into the Cinema RAW Light workflow, as long as I could afford to own with about 3-4 hours of media. As of this moment, that cost $5,432.00 in CFast 2.0 cards to own 4 hours worth. If that comes down closer to $2k or even $2,500.00, I could live with that I think. $5,432.00 means that if the trend continues, in a year, it would still cost $3,803.00, still too high for a $7,500.00 camera...
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Raw Light seems to be 512 GB/hr, so 4 hrs worth is over $5,000 on a top performing Lexar card but can be significantly less with Delkin - $300 x 8 = $2,400). After that, it should fall on the popular retailers to test the various lower priced cards once the camera becomes available.

Or one may have to do what Norbert said and to figure out the offload/rent routine.
 
That's for HD...it depends on the framerate. Google "ProRes White Paper" and check out the chart at the very end of the document.

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IanTheM said:
If the C300 III came out with a 7 inch touchreen for DPAF... That'd be a huge win for Canon. Focus Pullers with wireless DPAF control stations are the future, and Canon is so close to getting it right.
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I doubt serious focus pulling will ever go fully down that route, there are many situation where you might want to lay focus on someone who is partially hidden behind sth maybe just a window.)
BUT nevertheless it would be nice to make the touchscreens detachable from the camera, single shooters needing to pull focus on a 300mm for example...
 
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