T3i kills the t2i and 60d sales?

Even if I´d only get back 50% of the purchase price of my 550D, having had a B-cam (and more times than expected A-cam) at hand for the time owning it, will be totally worth it.
Oh and I heard it actually takes great stills too :happy:

Hell, the t2i for filming was like canon suddenly adding an X-ray function to its entry level scanners!!!
(Right, people would still complain about the awkward handling :beer:)
 
I would not say it kills the 60D. I have a 60D and it is worth it. Once the t3i is out there will only be a $50-$75 gap. I like the build, size and overall feel of the 60D better. I reather pay the $50 bucks and have a more Pro-sumer camera over the consumer camera that everyone and their brother will have.
 
Moses Chisel said:
Thinking out loud here, but the digital zoom, assuming it uses a smaller central area, would improve the moire as the zoom increases.

So for example a 10mm lens zoomed 5x to give a 50mm lens would have very little, if any, moire and better jello maybe.
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If I may ask a question here, comparing the T3i crop with the GH2 crop. Am I correct in stating that Panasonic accomplishes its crop with a technology that captures the same number of pixels as when not in crop mode, but just concentrates them in the center of the sensor, giving a deeper DOF without a zoom? If that is the case, I would consider that technology to be superior to a mere digital zoom.
 
Blues, I don't know the tech behind it, but the T3i zoom feature is fairly robust at 3x. As you push in towards 10x, the image degrades, as you would expect from a digital zoom, but if you just stay at 3x, it is very usable. It is likely that the sensor of the T3i is being "cropped" down to a near-1080p amount of pixels, and then further digital zooming occurs as you push towards 10x. But at 3x, its still very good. In fact, after running some tests, I wonder if I could tell the difference if I didn't know which shots had the 3x zoom applied.

The GH2 and T3i (and other Canons) have different methods for getting a 1080p video image so the tech can get confusing when discussing these new crop/zoom features. The Canons line skip and the Panasonics bin or something. How they produce the cropped/zoomed 1080p results appear to both be from cropping primarily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXPaJlsM2Y
 
I would still love to see someone do some of these tests with the zoom.

If you have a kit lens or a zoom, test it at different focal lengths. So, apply the 3x zoom at 18mm, giving you a zoomed 54mm. Then, shoot the same thing by manually zooming the lens to about 54 (0x zoom). Then, compared the two 54mm shots side by side. Still not sure why no one has done this?

Also, would love to see the 3x zoom on people/moving subjects.

Thanks for your test, though, Ryan!
 
jordy2324 said:
I would still love to see someone do some of these tests with the zoom.

If you have a kit lens or a zoom, test it at different focal lengths. So, apply the 3x zoom at 18mm, giving you a zoomed 54mm. Then, shoot the same thing by manually zooming the lens to about 54 (0x zoom). Then, compared the two 54mm shots side by side. Still not sure why no one has done this?

Also, would love to see the 3x zoom on people/moving subjects.

Thanks for your test, though, Ryan!
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Hehe. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do this. I'll try to get a test up, but if the sun is up, I'm probably at work, or driving to or from. :-|

My impression is that the zoom feature should never be used beyond 3x. At 3x, it appears to have a very subtle softness to it. Not very noticeable, but upon close inspection, I think it softens slightly. However, you are getting a no light loss 3x tele conversion.

I will definitely keep this camera and use it for long lens wildlife work with the 3x zoom feature many, many times.
 
Ryan Farnes said:
Hehe. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to do this. I'll try to get a test up, but if the sun is up, I'm probably at work, or driving to or from. :-|

My impression is that the zoom feature should never be used beyond 3x. At 3x, it appears to have a very subtle softness to it. Not very noticeable, but upon close inspection, I think it softens slightly. However, you are getting a no light loss 3x tele conversion.

I will definitely keep this camera and use it for long lens wildlife work with the 3x zoom feature many, many times.
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Yeh... I've seen a dozen or more examples but no one has compared the 3x zoom to a "manually zoomed" shot on the same zoom lens. I think it's the most effective, 20-second test you can do with the T3i.
Same shot. Same lens. 3x "digital" zoom around 18mm vs. changing the zoom on the barrel to about 54mm. (or whatever 3x combo works for zoom lens). A constant f-stop lens would be best for this, but even the kit lens would provide some kind of clues as to how useful this feature actually is.
 
When I get to it, I'll be sure to post it. If only I could do the test and hit upload on the camera...

However, be sure to take into account the differences that present themselves when changing focal length on a lens. You can keep the same f-stop, but chromatic aberration and depth of field will be different, right?
 
Ryan Farnes said:
When I get to it, I'll be sure to post it. If only I could do the test and hit upload on the camera...

However, be sure to take into account the differences that present themselves when changing focal length on a lens. You can keep the same f-stop, but chromatic aberration and depth of field will be different, right?
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Generally, yes. Also depends on your lens. Example -- some show more CA on the wide end and are perfect extended, while others are vice-versa.
I'm excited to see this test -- the first to truly test the "zoom" capabilities.
 
if anyone is running the digital vs optical zoom test with the kit lens, please run it both at f/5.6 and at f/11: the lens is much sharper on the wide end, and gets more equal at f/11 (an argument for running the test at f/11), but on the other hand diffraction may be more of an issue when you're using adjacent photosites, and I'm not often shooting at f/11 or above (an argument for running the test at f/5.6)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/...meraComp=474&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=1
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/...meraComp=474&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=4&APIComp=4

also, try to look at precisely the center of the image: otherwise, you're comparing center sharpness at 18mm (the sharp end, with sensor crop meaning you only use the center of the image) with corner sharpness at 55mm (the soft end)
 
Extensive notes are at Vimeo.

I meant to get rid of the audio..ah well...the point is that the original camera files are compiled together into the downloadable file.
 
That is some erroneous compression issue at Vimeo. I've seen it do similar things on others' videos.

Download the original to actually review the feature.
 
Timbit said:
So was it just me, or do others see a digital line at the bottom of the 3x crop shots?
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yeah... I agree. everything past that is way too soft. Funny the panasonic GH2 etc maxs out at 2.4 in ETC mode....but it looks crystal sharp.
 
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