T3i kills the t2i and 60d sales?

Ryan Farnes said:

Another test...
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Thanks for this, Ryan.

Shot 2b actually looks a bit better than shot 2a, IMO.
There is a little softness, but -- like you said -- it could have been a focusing error. When you're outside and at F8, it can look a lot different at 3x if you're a tad off on the focus.
Great test though. 3x looks fairly promising to me.
 
Belief Pictures said:
I doubt that it compares with the 60D. The 60D has a larger sensor.
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False. All the Canon DSLRs currently used for video have the same sized sensor (APS-C), aside from the 5D which offers full-frame 35mm.

T2i, T3i, 60D, 7D all have identical sized sensors and processors. That's why everyone in this forum uses them interchangeably.
 
dishe said:
False. All the Canon DSLRs currently used for video have the same sized sensor (APS-C), aside from the 5D which offers full-frame 35mm.

T2i, T3i, 60D, 7D all have identical sized sensors and processors. That's why everyone in this forum uses them interchangeably.
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False.... What about the 1d that uses a 1.3 crop sensor?
 
busted!!!

plus, the T1i also has video, and, while it is APS-C (1.6x), it's not the same sensor as on the other ones listed there

in any case, the original point holds: the sensor on the 60D is exactly the same one as on the T2i, T3i or 7D (and not just size, it's exactly the same chip)
 
jordy2324 said:
False.... What about the 1d that uses a 1.3 crop sensor?
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NormanBates said:
busted!!!

plus, the T1i also has video, and, while it is APS-C (1.6x), it's not the same sensor as on the other ones listed there

in any case, the original point holds: the sensor on the 60D is exactly the same one as on the T2i, T3i or 7D (and not just size, it's exactly the same chip)
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LOL- I'm aware of the 1D and T1i, but to be fair I DID specify "All the Canon DSLRs currently used for video". The t1i DOES support video (I actually used it once to grab some B&W b-roll for something I shot with a t2i), but did not have support for the frame rates we like (specifically 24p), so its not really one you find used in the video industry at all.

As for the 1D, you don't really see it being used or recommended much either. I'm not sure why, but I'd guess that for the price folks would prefer the 5D at full frame. Or a full sized video camera. Seems like a pretty capable device otherwise.

I suppose I should have said "currently recommended for video" instead of "currently used", would have been clearer what I meant. Of all the cameras you'll find people using and recommending in the video industry by Canon, all have the same sensor aside from the 5D. Is that better? ;)
 
the sensor on the 1Dmk4 seems to deliver far uglier pictures than that on the 5D, that's why even people with money to spare don't use the 1Dmk4 except for very low light stuff
 
Things seem to be looking up. Finally someone recognizes the value of a flip out screen on a DSLR... a whole 7 years after I begged for one. Sadly, with 7" external monitors approaching a usefulness, the flip outs are approaching " too little too late" territory.
I'm very possibly on the verge of getting this camera but need to be told that Max clip length before overheating is more than 12 Minutes. Otherwise, I'm back to sticking my head in the sand.
I shoot documentaries with interviews that start at around 15 minutes and frequently go to an hour... non stop.
So when are all these 'beta' cameras finally going to settle down to something I can hold on to for 10 years before I have to upgrade?
Or maybe I should start buying stock in these 'smarter than us' camera makers.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
Things seem to be looking up. Finally someone recognizes the value of a flip out screen on a DSLR... a whole 7 years after I begged for one. Sadly, with 7" external monitors approaching a usefulness, the flip outs are approaching " too little too late" territory.
I'm very possibly on the verge of getting this camera but need to be told that Max clip length before overheating is more than 12 Minutes. Otherwise, I'm back to sticking my head in the sand.
I shoot documentaries with interviews that start at around 15 minutes and frequently go to an hour... non stop.
So when are all these 'beta' cameras finally going to settle down to something I can hold on to for 10 years before I have to upgrade?
Or maybe I should start buying stock in these 'smarter than us' camera makers.
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...Which is why I am about to invest in a Letus for my HPX170. A bit more expensive, but I shoot up to three hour long events and/or interviews, so my 7D is fairly useless for those applications. However, at least for interviews, you can have several (blank) cards on hand to stop the interview every 15 or so minutes. Before my HPX170, I'd do that and also have a small ice chest with a few ice packs that I'd put on top of my camera. Never once have I had the red thermometer show up on my LCD, and I have been shooting on HDSLR (T2i then 7D) for about 1.5 years.
 
andythefilmer said:
...Which is why I am about to invest in a Letus for my HPX170. A bit more expensive, but I shoot up to three hour long events and/or interviews, so my 7D is fairly useless for those applications. However, at least for interviews, you can have several (blank) cards on hand to stop the interview every 15 or so minutes. Before my HPX170, I'd do that and also have a small ice chest with a few ice packs that I'd put on top of my camera. Never once have I had the red thermometer show up on my LCD, and I have been shooting on HDSLR (T2i then 7D) for about 1.5 years.
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Or shoot with 2 DSLRs running Magic Lantern (set to autorestart when it stops) started at different intervals. That way, when one stops, the other is still recording and you have a B camera to cut to.
 
dishe said:
Or shoot with 2 DSLRs running Magic Lantern (set to autorestart when it stops) started at different intervals. That way, when one stops, the other is still recording and you have a B camera to cut to.
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With DSLRs, you can do this. You just have to be smart. Tell your subject you have to change cards. OR, just casually change cards while you're asking a question (easily done in 10-15 seconds).
I did this while filming 30+ minute interviews in Africa. Worked fine.
 
jordy2324 said:
With DSLRs, you can do this. You just have to be smart. Tell your subject you have to change cards. OR, just casually change cards while you're asking a question (easily done in 10-15 seconds).
I did this while filming 30+ minute interviews in Africa. Worked fine.
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You don't have to change the card, you can easily fit 4 sets of 4gig files on a 16gig card, that's almost 1hr of shooting. A stop and restart while shooting is only 1 second or less. After an hour, you'd likely have overheating or battery issues.
 
Kin Lau said:
You don't have to change the card, you can easily fit 4 sets of 4gig files on a 16gig card, that's almost 1hr of shooting. A stop and restart while shooting is only 1 second or less. After an hour, you'd likely have overheating or battery issues.
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You can't usually go an hour-plus. Not without removing/exchanging the battery and switching the camera off once or twice. Again, easy to do.
 
jordy2324 said:
You can't usually go an hour-plus. Not without removing/exchanging the battery and switching the camera off once or twice. Again, easy to do.
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Maybe if you're using a 7D. I just filmed for just over an hour with 2 T2i's, and did not get a single heat warning. Cameras stayed on the entire time, auto-restart enabled. The 7D is known to overheat more often though.
 
Can you tell how lazy I am?
So let me see if I have this right. The issue is not sensor overheating after 4GB worth of shooting it's an arbitrary lock on the single file size right? So it's just a matter of stopping the clip at 4GB and shooting a another consecutive 4GB clip and that the only other issue is battery runtime? Is that right?

Kin Lau said:
You don't have to change the card, you can easily fit 4 sets of 4gig files on a 16gig card, that's almost 1hr of shooting. A stop and restart while shooting is only 1 second or less. After an hour, you'd likely have overheating or battery issues.
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Zephyrnoid said:
Can you tell how lazy I am?
So let me see if I have this right. The issue is not sensor overheating after 4GB worth of shooting it's an arbitrary lock on the single file size right? So it's just a matter of stopping the clip at 4GB and shooting a another consecutive 4GB clip and that the only other issue is battery runtime? Is that right?
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To clarify: Its not an arbitrary lock on file size.
Its actually because the camera's file system and encoding arithmetic are 32-bit. And just like on desktop OSes, 32-bit architecture can't allocate more than 4GB of memory at a time (why you need a 64-bit OS if you have more than 4GB of RAM installed). In fact, FAT32 (the default format that our cameras use on the SD cards) can't contain a file larger than that either way!

It is NOT, I repeat, NOT a self-imposed limit by Canon, or a sensor/heat/hardware limitation, or anything like that. Its a logic problem.
 
dishe said:
It is NOT, I repeat, NOT a self-imposed limit by Canon, or a sensor/heat/hardware limitation, or anything like that. Its a logic problem.
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Not entirely true.

The problem has been easily overcome by all camcorder manufacturers (Canon included) by seamlessly continuing the clip in a new file once the 4gb limit is reached - then re-joining the clips later with the bundled importing software. Canon chose not to implement that ability in this camera, therefore it is a self imposed limit.

It is, however, a logical and intentional self-imposed limit. The reason they didn't choose to implement it is probably because (a) it would attract a higher tax in some regions if it can record video continuously, and (b) because the overheating problem would become more apparent if people were able to record continuously and (c) they didn't think anybody would use a still camera to do a video cameras job.
 
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