T3i kills the t2i and 60d sales?

To be honest, i think Movie Crop Mode is utter bs :D
I will happily stay with my T2i and laugh at people, who will buy the T3i for like 200-300$ more.

Well, there is the flip out screen, but be true to yourself. When you film, especially with a Rig, you always have a monitor or a viewfinder on your camera, so this is just a rip off!
 
Phil_UK said:
To be honest, i think Movie Crop Mode is utter bs :D
I will happily stay with my T2i and laugh at people, who will buy the T3i for like 200-300$ more.

Well, there is the flip out screen, but be true to yourself. When you film, especially with a Rig, you always have a monitor or a viewfinder on your camera, so this is just a rip off!
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the main reason I want a flip-out screen is for my shoulder support rig: it will allow me to put the weight in a better position, and balance the rig much better

having said that, I chose a 550D over a 60D when I had to decide: the flip-out is nice, but it just didn't justify the price difference (given my budget constraint, and what I'd have to leave out of the cart if I went for the pricier body)
 
ROCKMORE said:
Another sales gadget here today, gone tomorrow. Better upgrade to a longer lens for the future.
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Canon 300/4L IS, approx $1500- new. Canon 800/5.6L approx $10,000- new.

Crop modes aren't any different from mounting a 2/3" HD camera to a 35mm telephoto. Barry Green has been very positive about the HD crop mode (called ETC) on the GH2... he's posted up a few test clips.
 
I still don't get the interest in manual audio - it just isn't usable on any of the canons. I would have thought manual white balance and intermediate iso's would have been of much more interest, as well as the flip out lcd.
 
mr bill said:
I still don't get the interest in manual audio - it just isn't usable on any of the canons. I would have thought manual white balance and intermediate iso's would have been of much more interest, as well as the flip out lcd.
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Manual audio is VERY useful. You still have to have a mic, though.

Turn down the gain all the way in the camera, put in a hot signal from a mic/lav or external recorder (H4n, etc.), and you have a pretty good sound that records in camera. No sync needed.

Of course it's always better to have an external source and sync, but for one- or two-man crews or to save time on a deadline, the manual audio is DEFINITELY worth it.
 
jordy2324 said:
Manual audio is VERY useful. You still have to have a mic, though.

Turn down the gain all the way in the camera, put in a hot signal from a mic/lav or external recorder (H4n, etc.), and you have a pretty good sound that records in camera. No sync needed.

Of course it's always better to have an external source and sync, but for one- or two-man crews or to save time on a deadline, the manual audio is DEFINITELY worth it.
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Now I have no idea what to do.

Do I go for the T3i? Is the adjustable audio that important? What about the audio for the t2i?
 
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/CANONEOS600D/page6.asp
Did I see 60 Minutes next to 1920x1080 30p? What can that mean? The T2i says 29:59 no matter what size card you have. Does this mean they got the counter right or you can record longer clips? The VBR make exact time counter impossible. Also a 16gig card gives me roughly 48 minutes a 32 roughly 96 minutes. What card can do "60:00"? If this is the case this just became the gold rush in new DSLRs.
 
I'd bet that crop mode would be a heck of a useful feature for styles of shooting that want the opposite of a depth of field picture or shoot, wanting a more "Cable TV" style instead. And even my tests show that the crop mode truly has better quality than the normal 1080P modes, somewhat. I'm just mad they didn't have respect for the buyers and just make this another feature that fills up the $1,000 price tag of the 60D, instead of creating an entirely new camera just for this one feature. I mean, the 60D just came out, wtf?

But yeah, the T2i was pretty much a complete rip-off, it was just like this T3i; an entirely new camera for only one new feature, when the T1i simply could have been upgraded. It was an excuse to put out an entirely new camera that they could sell for $1,000 when it only had the feature worth of it's predecessor, the what, $500 T1i? And I fell for it. And now, with the 60D being the exact same price as the T2i was when it came out, yet with a bundle of features that are in my opinion worth almost more than $1,000, it really puts the value back into the buy and makes the shooter satisfied they slapped down $1,000 for the product. After all, this market is for students and beginners, anyone who has a $100,000 or even $10,000 to spend on their film but buys a horrid technology like the T2i is a complete lunatic, unless they want to use it as a gimmick. $1,000 is no easy price tag, most modern computers are half that price, nor is the quality that these cameras put out video-wise even up to any sort of cinema standard. Canon should have simply packed the cameras with as many features as they can, the T1i should have been the 60D, there's no excuse, I can garuntee they had the plans for the 60D, and especially the T2i, all figured out when they released the t1i. It's just a complete fraudulent ploy to make more money by making more camera that cost $50 for them to make each time, knowing that their market will buy each new one that comes out for ONE important feature. The T1i vs. T2i should have been awarded one of the biggest frauds in camera history.

After all, the T1i, T2i, T3i, and 7D use the exact same technology, simply with a different menu system. That's why the T2i was hackable and it's 7D features unlocked.
 
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kgimedia said:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/CANONEOS600D/page6.asp
Did I see 60 Minutes next to 1920x1080 30p? What can that mean? The T2i says 29:59 no matter what size card you have. Does this mean they got the counter right or you can record longer clips? The VBR make exact time counter impossible. Also a 16gig card gives me roughly 48 minutes a 32 roughly 96 minutes. What card can do "60:00"? If this is the case this just became the gold rush in new DSLRs.
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Here is the image... could just be mock ups? Or the card was used and only 60min were left?
 
kevinottawa said:
Here is the image... could just be mock ups? Or the card was used and only 60min were left?
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my guess is:
* US version, not capped at 29:59
* enough storage space on the card to record 60:00 or more, and the software is not smart enough to know beforehand that it will have to stop at around 12min due to file size limitations


Snapper123 said:
The T1i vs. T2i should have been awarded one of the biggest frauds in camera history.
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not really: it's a different sensor, and it's very likely that the old one just wasn't fast enough for video, thus the 1080p20 limitation

I regard the t2i as a great breakthrough, in the sense that it was just the same as was available before (7D)... for half the price!!
 
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Foster Kane said:
Now I have no idea what to do.

Do I go for the T3i? Is the adjustable audio that important? What about the audio for the t2i?
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That articulating screen is hot, but you can already get manual audio on the T2i if you are willing to use the Magic Lantern hack.

I use it, and love how convenient it is. Plus, the hack also lets you control things like analog vs digital gain on the audio and even AUDIO MONITORING which means you can plug headphones into the AV cables and actually monitor your sound live like you should be.

This will probably eventually be available on the T3i as well, but right now that's not a reason to pick the T3i. You can probably find refurbished T2i's cheap soon, and aside from that articulating screen, I'd say the t2i is still just as much a contender.
 
Psilocybe said:
Fortunately, all you have to do is copy and past the cropmarks folder and autoexec.bin onto the card, so it's not very time consuming. (At say, a liberal one minute to complete the task, that'd take 8 minutes out of your shoot day.)
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...which means you need a laptop at hand at every shoot. Or a big pile of cards. Not just a laptop available, but fired up, close by, and being babysitted, fed, diapered, whatever. I'd rather stick my used cards in their case and tape it shut til I'm back at the studio.

I keep thinking about ML but I just work too fast with too much $$ at stake (location fees, talent, rentals, studio costs, client's time) and I REALLY pride myself on fast setups and zero tech-stress so I can focus on things like directing dialogue and performance (and that's what separates the men from the boys in my book - getting footage with some kick & emotion). The minute something makes me nervous, I'm not a happy camper.

And with a focus on dialogue and performance, I have zero need for getting "better" audio from a Canon.

That's just me & my workflow, but all you non-ML people, you're not alone...
 
Michael Carter said:
...which means you need a laptop at hand at every shoot. Or a big pile of cards. Not just a laptop available, but fired up, close by, and being babysitted, fed, diapered, whatever. I'd rather stick my used cards in their case and tape it shut til I'm back at the studio.
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Um... how would that workflow be any different using ML?

Maybe you're being misled as to how ML works, but you don't need to copy the data everytime you use the card... You shoot on them, put them in their cases and tape them shut until you get to the studio to load up and edit.

Psilocybe's comment was just about some people being neurotic about formatting the card all the time to make sure it is clean and won't have buffer errors. If you don't format the card, Magic Lantern stays on and ready to go. If you are formatting the card, that means you are obviously first copying the contents OFF the card! Which means you already have a laptop or something ready to go. What I do, is copy the contents off the card, then format (which is what most people say you are supposed to do anyway). Then, as a last step before taking the card back out, I quickly copy the ML files back to the card. It doesn't even take more than 10 seconds.
 
what you have quoted is what he thinks ML would require, so yes, it's exactly the same as using ML, by definition

but: do you really record that much footage in a day? each 32GB card will hold over 90 minutes of video... mine is a transcend class10 that cost me just over 50eur, and I've never filled it up on a single shoot (have come really close, though, and my projects hardly ever require a full day of shooting, usually is't just a half-day; I could get more cards if that wasn't the case, though)

on the other hand, I find ML to be really, really useful, and I've never used the manual audio feature, or the higher-bitrate mod; custom cropmarks, live histogram (or even waveform), and focus peaking, are the features I use all the time
 
Is there a link to a T3i feature list describing that it has manual audio control? That would be sweet ... but, I haven't been able to confirm it ...
 
I would say that the GH2 killed the sales of this and a few other canons. I have the 7D which is now only used for stills cause it's just killed by the sharpness, functionality and all of that by the GH2... which also doesn't overheat and can record for over 2 hours... I like the Canons for stills but not for video... The GH2 is just a superior camera when it comes to video... The teleconverter and real video style lens are a huge deal... not to mention I can use all the canon, nikon and old cinema lenses I want..

I think we'll have to see the 5D mark 3 to give the Gh2 a run for the money.
 
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