Sony XDCAM EX

Ok, I finally got a bit more time with the Sony guys. In all simplicty, here's what I found:

Barry is right, there is no SD in the EX1 at all .. it's all HD only.
You have 2 choices of HD:
There "SP" mode, which is normal sony 25mbps HDV, 1080i only (1440x1080) . Camera outputs available are HD/SD-SDI, Component, Composite, S-video and HDV (through an IEEE1394 iLink connector). The HDV is totally standard HDV, so in this mode, you can output it out to any regular HDV device, like the DR60 Hard Drive Recorder or a Laptop, etc..
Then there's "HQ" mode, which is the brand new 35mbps XDCAM-EX format (not the same as XDCAM-HD). It can shoot at 1080i and at 1080p using the whole sensor at a native 1920x1080 (and recording this whoel signal), it can also shoot all your normal 720p formats (in both "PAL" and "NTSC" framrates). The HDV output is not available in this mode, so it's SDI, or recoding to SxS and moving it as data later.

The camera can not cross-convert between formats.

Ok, so it shoots all the normal framerates to XDCAM-EX, what about off-speed shooting for over & under cranking?
Well, the cool thing is that you can shoot at any framerate (in 1-frame increments) from 1fps to 30fps in 1080p mode, and from 1fps, all the way to 60fps in 720p mode. You can't change speeds on the fly (so no ramping), but setting the shooting rate is very simple. Of course the data-rate to the cards varies with shooting speed.
BUT there is a catch, and this is a HUGE catch for me as a Steadicam operator, and for many others too.. As soon as you change to a "non-standard" framerate, ALL the live outpus of the camera become inactive. Meaning that the ONLY way to monitor during off-speed shooting, is by using the camera's own LCD or EVF. This is a shame, as it really hurts the abiltiy to shoot a lot of stuff off-speed as you have no options for external monitoring.

Ok, the lens is really very good. They have put a lot of effort into the lens, which does show. But your oprtions or external control are VERY small. The camera has a new (as of yet, unnamed) proprietery lens control connector. The conenctor can control Zoom, Start-Stop, and the "Clip Review" funtion, and that's it. The connector by itseld is prety useless, you have to buy an adapter cable from sony to adapte the lens to a standard (Canon, or Fijinun) lens connector, then just add you favorate Professional lens controller and you are set..

Ok, back to formats a little: the camera comes with software for both the PC and the Mac platforms that you use to "ingest" the media and convert it for your use.
If you shot in HDV, than just use the normal established connection. If you shot in XDCAM.EX, then you will need to keep your ringers crossesd that an NLE manufacturer will have come forwards with plans to provide XDCAM-EX support; currently no one has announced that they plan to supporet it.

The unit is slated with a European list price of €6500, with cards slated to sell for €700 and €400 for the 16GB and the 8GB cards, respectivly.

The camera weighs 2.5kg (5.5lbs)

Because of the beefy lens' power requirements, the camera is a 12v camera, adn can be run form wither one of it's batter,es or by plugging in your charger and seeing it it wokds.
 
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If you shot in HDV, than just use the normal established connection. If you shot in XDCAM.EX, then you will need to keep your ringers crossesd that an NLE manufacturer will have come forwards with plans to provide XDCAM-EX support; currently no one has announced that they plan to supporet it.
From Studio Daily:
Sony also announced that several nonlinear editing manufacturers—Adobe, Apple, Canopus, Dayang, Main Concept, New Auto, Sobey, Sony Creative Software's Vegas, and Sony’s XPRI NS—are developing compatible interfaces. Both the XDCAM EX camera and SxS flash memory cards are expected to be available in late 2007. Sony says the estimated pricing of the XDCAM EX will be under $8,000.
 
Regarding the editor compatibilty. It *sounds* like there are multiple companies propabaly workgin on solutions, but the Reps at the show can't comment on any future releases or developments. So at this time, there is no *comfirmed* support that I or the rep I spoke to knows of. He said "[when the camera ships in November, then we will know [which editors support XDCAM-EX then]]" which of course doesn't really tell you much.





Also someone asked me about the off-speed shooting; I understand it works normally to the SxS cards directly, so it's not just a "burst" mode into a buffer.

- Mikko
 
BUT there is a catch, and this is a HUGE catch for me as a Steadicam operator, and for many others too.. As soon as you change to a "non-standard" framerate, ALL the live outpus of the camera become inactive. Meaning that the ONLY way to monitor during off-speed shooting, is by using the camera's own LCD or EVF. This is a shame, as it really hurts the abiltiy to shoot a lot of stuff off-speed as you have no options for external monitoring.

Wow,, thats terrible.. i guess the lcd is high quality but its not the same as focusing the camera with an hd monitor for over cranking..

Is this something that could be fixed with a firmware update?
 
Mikko - any news from the Sony guys about future SxS cameras in the pipeline, ideally 2/3" shouldermount?

Or for that matter about the 2/3" HD-XDCAM first mentioned at NAB?

Euro 6500 equates to about US$8,950, so according to that B&H report of $7,499 it will be substantially cheaper in the US.

If 16GB cards are Euro700, that's equivalent to $963. If the same Europe/US pricing ratios hold, that predicts about $800 in the US - maybe cheaper on the road.
 
Finally we have a Sony camera that meets the original International Telecommunications Union specifications for high definition namely that a high definition camera must have better temporal resolution than standard definition. Since this Sony can output 50 and 60 complete frames per second in the 720p mode we finnaly have a camera capable of real high definition without haveing to resort to grandfather clauses in the ITU specifications.
 
Here is my appraisal so far.
Thanks Simon. There's a lot good about this camera - the lens and chips being maybe the most obvious.

I was already prepared for not expecting it to be good handheld (which you seem to confirm), but the biggest drawback to many of us is possibly the lack of Standard Definition capability recorded to card. (Ideally as DV or 50Mb IMX.)
Did you get the chance to say anything to Sony about that, or get any sort of reason?

And to repeat the question posed to Mikko - any word of further SxS products from IBC?
 
Hi,

I was on the verge of buying the hvx-200 in the next couple of days....but now I am not sure anymore...the lense, the iris, the chips and the downcranking is great...but can't beleive that there's not a dvcam or dv option in the settings...that just sucks...because we still in a sd world despite we have great hd cameras out there....sony please don't mess a good product...and add an sd option to this camera and you'll have a winner...or at least a i-link downconwert when grabing to the computer....don't make this stupid mistake of not adding this option....

and one more question...does anyone know how will the sgpro adapter conform to the 1/2 chips of this camera....will it work properly....

best regards

cckid
 
We have to wait for a side by side comparison with HVX200. Hopefully someone will do it in November.

Hi,

I was on the verge of buying the hvx-200 in the next couple of days....but now I am not sure anymore...the lense, the iris, the chips and the downcranking is great...but can't beleive that there's not a dvcam or dv option in the settings...that just sucks...because we still in a sd world despite we have great hd cameras out there....sony please don't mess a good product...and add an sd option to this camera and you'll have a winner...or at least a i-link downconwert when grabing to the computer....don't make this stupid mistake of not adding this option....

and one more question...does anyone know how will the sgpro adapter conform to the 1/2 chips of this camera....will it work properly....

best regards

cckid
 

I tried the ex1 today. It looks very interesting but: it is less sensitive then the z1! It is almost 3 stops less then a Sony 970. For me that makes it useless for documentary shooting.. For this reason I often still use my DVX instead of my HVX, it is still a more sensitive camera.
 
Mikko - any news from the Sony guys about future SxS cameras in the pipeline, ideally 2/3" shouldermount?

I asked, they said simply "[we can't talk about the possibilty un-announced products]" The conversation cafe off that this is essentially a "pilot" camera, that depeding on how well it sells, then Sony will decide whether to actually developt the format (way to instill confidence in early adopters huh?).
Incidentally that's exactly the same resonse I got from Adobe today when I asked them about XDCAM-EX support. Adobe said "Untill the camera is shipping, and there is genuine demand for the codece to be supported, wer will concentrate on higher prioreties in the form of formats that are allready more widespread.

- Mikko
 
I asked, they said simply "[we can't talk about the possibilty un-announced products]" The conversation cafe off that this is essentially a "pilot" camera, that depeding on how well it sells, then Sony will decide whether to actually developt the format (way to instill confidence in early adopters huh?).
Thanks - I was sort of expecting that. Best result would have been announcing a forthcoming product this IBC (as the EX at NAB), but no doubt we'd have heard about anything like that straightaway.

Which makes me wonder about development times. If they really do wait and see how it sells before even committing to develop a future camera, then it must be quite a while away.

Then again, at last IBC the same company was saying no to soid-state "for the foreseeable future". And how long was that before NAB.......? :)
 
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