Sony XDCAM EX
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mikkowilson
Steadi-Guru
Those are Expresscards ... you are making the assumption that they work as recording media and that the SxS format Sony just developed isn't really that all special and necesarry to record to.
Not saying it's an incorrect assumption, just pointing out that it is an assumption. We should know tommorrow.
- Mikko
Not saying it's an incorrect assumption, just pointing out that it is an assumption. We should know tommorrow.
- Mikko
Good point...just dug up a user review of the Lexar cards, it looks like write speed will be an issue.
Barry_Green
Moderator
The SxS card prices have been announced. 8GB = 400 Euros ($550), 16GB = 700 Euros ($950).
http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Sho...tentId=1187079486292§iontype=PressRelease
The brochure that's been posted makes no mention of it being able to record to any media other than SxS Pro cards. Instead, the press release seems to imply that only SxS Pro cards can be used: "The PMW-EX1 is a highly compact, robust and high-performance camcorder that uniquely uses newly developed flash memory cards, the SxS PRO™, as its recording medium."
http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Sho...tentId=1187079496418§iontype=PressRelease
http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Sho...tentId=1187079486292§iontype=PressRelease
The brochure that's been posted makes no mention of it being able to record to any media other than SxS Pro cards. Instead, the press release seems to imply that only SxS Pro cards can be used: "The PMW-EX1 is a highly compact, robust and high-performance camcorder that uniquely uses newly developed flash memory cards, the SxS PRO™, as its recording medium."
http://www.sonybiz.net/biz/view/Sho...tentId=1187079496418§iontype=PressRelease
shocking.... i really though Sony was gonna make the cards the cheap variety..... VERY interesting.......
Could be they didn't for all the same reasons as Panasonic's P2 not being just some PCMCIA memory card -- write speed, reliability, need for zero-defect . . .
probably. so much for "off the shelf" Expresscards... same way P2's are "off the shelf" SD cards....
mikkowilson
Steadi-Guru
Nope. They touted that their media is compatible with Expresscard systems (readers), they have left it open to interpretation as to whether the camera will accept non-Sony non-SxS media.
- Mikko
- Mikko
I have come to learn that anything from Sony is not cheap. It may be more reliable but certainly not cheap.
By looking at the links provided above, is it just me or the transfer speed of the "ultra fast memory card" is still much lower than an eSATA connection used in the Red One camera. I like th compact and reliability of solid state memory card but I was surprise at the transfer speed of a 16GB for nearly one thousand dollars.
By looking at the links provided above, is it just me or the transfer speed of the "ultra fast memory card" is still much lower than an eSATA connection used in the Red One camera. I like th compact and reliability of solid state memory card but I was surprise at the transfer speed of a 16GB for nearly one thousand dollars.
Barry_Green
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Grug
Veteran
Argh! So they have pretty much gone with a proprietary system, and one that's just as expensive as P2... not happy Sony! I suppose the fact that they're selling the cameras with one 8Gb card included helps, but I'm still disappointed about this - it would have been better if they'd clearly stated that the camera would use a proprietary system in the first place, at least then people like me wouldn't have been dissappointed when they broke the news. Oh well, some competition is better than none I suppose. I'm keen to see how well it handles low-light.
Full 1920x1080 is pretty interesting, I wonder if FCP will support it.
Full 1920x1080 is pretty interesting, I wonder if FCP will support it.
Sorry, my mistake. Didn't check the currency.
Amongst all the cost/GB talk, what may be irrelevant to some but crucial to others is that they are starting a range of card sizes, whereas 8GB P2 is being discontinued. 8GB corresponds to about 30min of DV at 25Mbs, and at the moment I can think of a whole raft of work that currently is best suited to 30 minute tapes. Having the option to buy two 8GB cards for not much more than the price of a single 16GB card can be extremely valuable for some users.
Also be interesting to see what the on the road prices are.
I've heard that media HAS been successfully recorded to a regular card, though with an issue of error messages getting thrown up. Apparently it was an early prototype, and may be a bit dangerous to draw too many conclusions either way yet - the user had a lot to do with the camera and not much time. But it's certainly too early to definitively say production models won't be able to use the cheaper media.
Pancrasex
New member
From IBC Daily news :
Timing its entry into solid state to coincide with the arrival of cheaper more versatile media, Sony has put an aggressive launch price of EUR6,500 on its first XDCAM EX camcorder, the PMW-EX1 HD Handycam. Shipping in November in tandem with a USB reader/writer, and followed by the (prototype) viewing deck seen here at the show, the EX format uses ExpressCard technology that will give users a transfer speed of 800Mbps, writes George Jarrett.
6,500 euros is roughly around 9k US, in which officially drops all excitement for the EX from my behalf.
LINK: http://www.ibc.org/cgi-bin/enews_cms.cgi?story_no=64&issue=8
Timing its entry into solid state to coincide with the arrival of cheaper more versatile media, Sony has put an aggressive launch price of EUR6,500 on its first XDCAM EX camcorder, the PMW-EX1 HD Handycam. Shipping in November in tandem with a USB reader/writer, and followed by the (prototype) viewing deck seen here at the show, the EX format uses ExpressCard technology that will give users a transfer speed of 800Mbps, writes George Jarrett.
6,500 euros is roughly around 9k US, in which officially drops all excitement for the EX from my behalf.
LINK: http://www.ibc.org/cgi-bin/enews_cms.cgi?story_no=64&issue=8
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
http://www.film-tv-video.de/newsdet...]=07&tx_ttnews[month]=09&tx_ttnews[year]=2007
Language conversion (babble fish) needed. If the EX uses proprietary SXS card, that is the deal breaker. It is not solid enough, especially having SOny track record with their products (Betamax VCR, ATRAC ...etc), and their full commitment to optical disc for their ENG cameras. At least Panasonic uses the same P2 technology in all their ENG and higher end camera, so you would know p2 will stay on for a looooong time.
Language conversion (babble fish) needed. If the EX uses proprietary SXS card, that is the deal breaker. It is not solid enough, especially having SOny track record with their products (Betamax VCR, ATRAC ...etc), and their full commitment to optical disc for their ENG cameras. At least Panasonic uses the same P2 technology in all their ENG and higher end camera, so you would know p2 will stay on for a looooong time.
Barry_Green
Moderator
According to Mikko live at IBC, the Sony rep there confirmed that yes it is exclusive to SxS.
He also points out that the EX1 exhibits some "wobble". If you want him to ask any specific questions, send him a message and keep track of his live feed at ibc.mikkowilson.com. He's our "man on the street" out there, and he's doing live reporting for us right from the show floor via text messages from his cell phone and uploading pictures live too.
He also points out that the EX1 exhibits some "wobble". If you want him to ask any specific questions, send him a message and keep track of his live feed at ibc.mikkowilson.com. He's our "man on the street" out there, and he's doing live reporting for us right from the show floor via text messages from his cell phone and uploading pictures live too.