FS7: Sony rumored to release new FS7

I would take the Ursa Mini 4.6K made by Sony (with their e-mount). Even at $10K that would be an incredible deal. The footage I've seen from that sensor is some of the most impressive I've ever meddled with. Blackmagic's going to be 2 years late with that camera by the time it (pretty much) works as advertised. It's a shame, because I probably would have bought that camera over the FS7. Mixing absolute top-tier color science with the flexibility of many raw compression and resolution options-- all at an obscenely low price-- and that's probably where the mess up.

I would honestly take a Sony-made Ursa Mini 4.6K over a Sony-made RED Dragon 5K. (Is this off topic?) lol
 
BarryLichtner said:
I would take the Ursa Mini 4.6K made by Sony (with their e-mount). Even at $10K that would be an incredible deal. The footage I've seen from that sensor is some of the most impressive I've ever meddled with. Blackmagic's going to be 2 years late with that camera by the time it (pretty much) works as advertised. It's a shame, because I probably would have bought that camera over the FS7. Mixing absolute top-tier color science with the flexibility of many raw compression and resolution options-- all at an obscenely low price-- and that's probably where the mess up.

I would honestly take a Sony-made Ursa Mini 4.6K over a Sony-made RED Dragon 5K. (Is this off topic?) lol
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What companies really should do is take a look at BM's interface/OS...so mindless and perfect. Just everything mostly on one or two pages...touch and go.

I think the 4.6K has the worst colors of any of the BM cameras, but I was a huge fan of the 4K sensor and its images.

P.S. I just want the cameras to be as simple as possible...with an insane amount of DR, amazing cinematic color that emulates film stocks, and a variety of HFR options in all resolutions at 10-bit 4:2:2 and 4:4:4. It's easy! haha
 
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That's what the Ursa 4.6K is... In addition to lots and lots of issues. �� I know the Pocket color scheme inside and out- and most consider it the best of their line, or second to the 4.6. I'm in that second group.

I might have lot my mind, nothing new, but that might have a little to do with buying an FS7 two months for the FS7 II announcement is leaked. (I'm not complaining... Don't take that the wrong way-- totally my own doing, but it's a tiny bit frustrating.)

I used to be better at living on the bleeding, painful and expensive edge, and then I go and buy an a6300 and an FS7 this summer. ��
 
Try the BMCC or BMPC if you haven't, and let me know if you still feel the same way about the colors from the BMPCC or UM 4.6K.
 
Considering that BMD is using off-the-shelf components, Sony should be technically capable of matching the URSA specs and the URSA price, with perhaps a grand or two added for quality control. That camera will probably be arriving in another eighteen months or so.

Meanwhile, FS-7 MKII could take a major step forward - Raven's specs at Raven's price - though, it probably won't.
 
The FS7 update is going to be the same camera with a couple of updated design features.

Not a camera for existing owners to upgrade to.
 
Just keep repeating that you yourself over and over, and maybe try to stay of the internoobs on that Nov 11 announcement day, and you should be good. I mean we're talking Sony here right? Pretty much the last company that just drops 5 crazy nexgen features on us outta nowhere. We're good. I feel for them Canon shooters though. I give them 3 or 4 months tops before that C700 becomes a dusty old relic that's pawned at 2¢ on the dollar for the C700 II with RGB 8K and an *internal* raw recorder!
 
Not really sure what you mean by that. If it's a quantum leap ahead then great, but their history of incremental updates to a camera have been well documented, and they don't need to do much to keep the FS7 very current for the foreseeable future.

For the majority of the jobs it does across corporate/events/reality/promos/rality and low budget narrative, it is almost the perfect camera for the price point. Even after 2 years.



The C700 is in a whole different class of camera and for a whole different class of productions - ones where mechanics and ease of use save money. That said I felt it would become a sub $20,000 camera within 6 months.
 
I still think it's a bit crazy if Sony will release a mkII version of the FS7 now. Maybe they'll just do an announcement of the mkII and it will become available in spring 2017.
 
Ben Scott said:
Not really sure what you mean by that. If it's a quantum leap ahead then great, but their history of incremental updates to a camera have been well documented, and they don't need to do much to keep the FS7 very current for the foreseeable future...
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Sony has an APC-S 20 MPX 6K full readout sensor with auto focus in a $1,000 consumer camera. A 4.5/5K version of the same for a reduced rolling shutter + compressed Raw wouldn't exactly be a radical leap.
 
DLD said:
Sony has an APC-S 20 MPX 6K full readout sensor with auto focus in a $1,000 consumer camera. A 4.5/5K version of the same for a reduced rolling shutter + compressed Raw wouldn't exactly be a radical leap.
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In the A6500 it has an overheating (but you can turn the warning off) camera that gives you an 8-bit low bitrate consumer codec with rolling shutter and framerate limitations.I’m not interested in an FS7 version of this.
 
my preference for FS7 MKII will be: Full Frame, Ibis, electronic ND, 6k 50P an 4k 100p with sound, better AF with a way to memorize focus A and focus B with buton or on screen (tool like aperture dec technologie) on e-mount Batis lenses, face detection, better color science and lighter than FS7 mark I. All those preferences could be achieve today, it's not too much and that could push me to buy next FS7II.
 
Sure.

A 6K 50fps camera with a full frame 35mm sensor but that is lighter than an FS7 AND with built in focus racking.


A Red Weapon VV with latitude module for the price of an FS7 but lighter....


I've no idea what some people have been smoking this week.
 
gene_can_sing said:
2) Just rip off the Arri color science
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Hell, if they could just rip off the Canon or Arri color science, I would switch to Sony. This will be a really nicely featured camera at a great price with awful color science. Someone explained to me recently why Sony color science looks so bad. Their biggest overall market is Southeast Asia. The color science they have engineered is mainly for news and inexplicably spread to their digital cinema line. The colors are more flattering to South Asian skin tones but makes Caucasions look as if they are on a morgue slab. Made sense to me, although it doesn't explain Sony's near total dominance of the European market too. Countries I have shot in and rented cameras in include the UK, France and Italy and most rental houses there and shooters in those countries seem like huge Sony fans. But the skin tone thing seems viable. Canon's very yellow/orange/red skin tone palette could be very unflattering to some Asian skin tones, although we all know that they can be filtered, white blanced and post corrected to look amazing. But think about it, news doesn't get color corrected usually.
 
rudo_fr said:
my preference for FS7 MKII will be: Full Frame, Ibis, electronic ND, 6k 50P an 4k 100p with sound, better AF with a way to memorize focus A and focus B with buton or on screen (tool like aperture dec technologie) on e-mount Batis lenses, face detection, better color science and lighter than FS7 mark I. All those preferences could be achieve today, it's not too much and that could push me to buy next FS7II.
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Unless you are shooting anamorphic/VistaVision, why would anyone want FF in a professional digital cinema camera? Have you shot with a 5D MKIII or anything like that?
 
I was just joking around. I don't have a clue what Sony is going to do. Whatever it is I'm sure I'll want it, but it might not be a huge upgrade.
 
Ben Scott said:
In the A6500 it has an overheating (but you can turn the warning off) camera that gives you an 8-bit low bitrate consumer codec with rolling shutter and framerate limitations.I’m not interested in an FS7 version of this.
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That literally has nothing to do with what I wrote.
 
DLD said:
That literally has nothing to do with what I wrote.
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The point being that a cheap consumer stills camera with some nice on-paper features doesn’t mean anything in terms of those features being able to be ‘upscaled’ to be fit for purpose in a professional camera that needs to be reliable and of a certain quality.
 
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