So I got pulled over...

Jordan_S

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...while driving from Be'er Sheva to my home. In Israel, police cars' lights are always flashing while they drive around. Why? I have no idea. People I've asked say it's because of their huge egos. Anyway, when they want to pull you over, they come up beside you and use their police car's speaker to tell you to stop.

Just a note, before I continue, that in Israel, you can say things you would never say in the U.S. You can ask someone what his salary is and tell him it's too low and he won't think twice about it. It's also possible to get into a very heated argument with someone and then receive a dinner invitation from him the next day. So people are very emotionally demonstrative and take what others say in stride. There are few surprises.

So, to continue, the other odd thing is that the officers stay in their car the entire time they have someone pulled over. I had seen this before, driver's hunched over police cars' passenger windows, speaking with officers inside, seemingly negotiating a lesser fine. Although I knew this, I quickly decided to play the ignorant American card. I pretended like I didn't know much Hebrew and stayed in my seat with my hands on the wheel.

The cop motioned with his hand and said, first in Hebrew, then in English, "Come." So I exited my vehicle and stood out in the blazing son. He was already writing so it seemed hopeless to think he'd let me slide with just a warning. He asked for my driver's license and I handed it to him. I first gave him my Pennsylvania license and feigned surprise when he handed it back to me, asking for the Israeli one. He instructed me to sit in his car.

I asked him what I had done because I truly did not know. "You don't know?" he asked.

"No," I replied.

"You were going 108km/h in a 90km/h zone."

"That is not correct," I said.

"No? What were you going?"

"Eighty," I retorted.

"No," he said, while pointing to his gun.

"When is the last time you checked that?" I asked.

"Last week," he said.

"Last week?"

"Uh, no, this morning," he corrected himself.

"So was it last week or this morning?" I inquired.

"This morning," he repeated.

The upshot was that I received a NIS 250 (about $70) fine with no points. I stepped out of the car after he finished writing. I told him that I had a lot of trouble reading his handwriting.

I was angry because I was quite sure I had really only been traveling at 80. I had been looking at his left hand while seated next to him because his pinky fingernail was much longer than all of his other fingernails. So I asked him why he had allowed that fingernail to grow two inches long. He said "Stam," which roughly means, in that context, "no reason."

I asked, "It's not to pick your nose?"

"No," he replied. "Why?"

"That's what I heard," I said.

I then told him that I would see him in court because I planned to fight the ticket. He corrected the mistake I made in Hebrew with the verb so I asked him if he was married.

"Yes," he said.

"And your wife puts up with that crazy finger?" I asked.

...

So that's my story. Not so exciting but it's a bit different from what would transpire in the States. Sometimes, while visiting the U.S., I'm fearful that I could forget where I was and get myself in a lot of trouble for speaking like that.

Anyone else have stories to tell about being pulled over? (Or is Batutta going to post a link to a thread on this topic from 2004?:) I saw the closed thread on drunk driving.)
 
Wow, I dunno about Israel, but in Brooklyn, that is a one way ticket to a severe ass-kicking in a dark alley. Yeeikes.
 
So that's my story. Not so exciting but it's a bit different from what would transpire in the States. Sometimes, while visiting the U.S., I'm fearful that I could forget where I was and get myself in a lot of trouble for speaking like that.

Anyone else have stories to tell about being pulled over? (Or is Batutta going to post a link to a thread on this topic from 2004?:) I saw the closed thread on drunk driving.)

Actually there have been a few I was pulled over stories, but I won't link them...All I'll say is that if you're my shade in the US, you don't say anything to the cops other than 'yes, sir' for fear of getting Rodney King'd.
 
A tip. If a cop (in the U.S.) asks you "Do you know why I stopped you?" - it's a trick. The trick is to get you to admit something. F.ex. if you say, "I guess I was speeding" or whatever, you're cooked, because if you then later go to court to fight the ticket, the cop can say "he admitted fault" and that's that, game over. So don't do it.

Q: "Do you know why I stopped you?"

A: "I have no idea, officer, why don't you tell me".

Never talk to cops. Ever. Give your name and address, and documents they ask for and cooperate in physical actions. Otherwise remain silent. Anything - anything you say can and will be used against you - even if you have not been mirandized. Don't chat with cops. A cop is not your friend. Emphatically - he is not your friend - he's a potentially lethal weapon. You must remain extremely cautious.

I never tire of linking to this explanation of why you must remain silent at all times, no matter how much you wish to talk.
 
Ive been pulled over a few times. I generally find police in Australia pretty courteous. So whilst I dont have to reply to everything with "yes sir", if you treat them politely they are usually pretty pleasant.

Don't chat with cops. A cop is not your friend. Emphatically - he is not your friend - he's a potentially lethal weapon. You must remain extremely cautious.

I always chat with the police here. As I said theyre usually pretty friendly.
 
I always chat with the police here. As I said theyre usually pretty friendly.

Every country is different. It's not about the people (cops) - there are great people (cops) everywhere. It's about how the laws are structured. We have an adversarial legal system, by design, a result of careful thought by our founding fathers. As a result, our cops are like armed bombs ready to go off - be very, very careful. See the link I gave for an in depth explanation by a legal constitutional scholar. I know nothing about Australian laws, maybe I would chat with cops there too, but here, it's a specific situation. No right or wrong, it's just the way it is. For the record, I happen to think the U.S. has a very, very good legal system (not perfect, just better than 99% out there).
 
try my small town of Tracy. They want to bust the innocent cause there to scared to deal with real criminals
 
That might be a difference in LA and small town, Oklahoma. We chat it up with cops here. A lot of times, you know the cops.
 
oh yea and the us has a crappy legal system. I knowww we dont get our fingers chopped off but i did sit in jury duty yesterday for 7 hrs. came back from our lunch and then got released. completely pointless. waisted everyones day who was there which a lot without pay. not to mention how lawyers and judges workout cases its redic!
 
oh yea and the us has a crappy legal system

Err... compared to what? I wouldn't exchange our system for any other countries. Is it perfect? Heck no. Far from it. If you want perfect, wait for paradise, it ain't gonna happen here on earth. Should we try to make it better - again, yes, absolutely, it has many, many flaws.

But it's like that saying about Democracy "it's the worst system on earth... except for all the others".

Also, steev'sHVX, the system worked as it was supposed to. Yes, it's irritating, but believe me, the alternatives would be much, much worse. It only seems to you bad, because you haven't actually had to design a good one, or probably have much experience with the complexity of legal systems in general.

God bless America, and God bless the 5th amendment.
 
[...] i did sit in jury duty yesterday for 7 hrs. came back from our lunch and then got released. completely pointless. waisted everyones day who was there which a lot without pay[...]

I used to love to go to jury duty. Free coffee and fruit and snacks. The pay is nominal but, as a public school teacher, I simply had to supply proof to my school in order to input the jury duty code for a paid day off. Needless to say, reading material must be brought. I was always disappointed when I wasn't chosen.

But, uh, let's not get political. I was curious about stories of being pulled over.
 
I always chat with the police here. As I said theyre usually pretty friendly.

Every country is different. It's not about the people (cops) - there are great people (cops) everywhere. It's about how the laws are structured. We have an adversarial legal system, by design, a result of careful thought by our founding fathers. As a result, our cops are like armed bombs ready to go off - be very, very careful. See the link I gave for an in depth explanation by a legal constitutional scholar. I know nothing about Australian laws, maybe I would chat with cops there too, but here, it's a specific situation. No right or wrong, it's just the way it is. For the record, I happen to think the U.S. has a very, very good legal system (not perfect, just better than 99% out there).

FWIW I wasnt suggesting one is better than the other, just adding to global experience.

Police in Japan are interesting. I was questioned one night and didnt have my japanese issued "foreigners card" with me. Yes, all foreigners in Japan are issued with an ID card. So these 4 police who question me, whilst Im standing at a taxi rank waiting for a taxi to turn up. And then they say I must go to the police station which is about 5 minutes away by car. They lead me to thier police vehicle and I ask them if Im under arrest. They say no. So I say whilst Im happy to go to the police station, if Im not under arrest Im not getting in a police vehicle. Anyway, two of them agreed to let me walk there, whilst they followed on foot. Was a nice night for a walk.
 
i got pulled over for speeding while on my way to move my stuff up to college. being as i couldn't fit all the stuff in my car, my dad was following behind me. he pulled over too, got out of the car and just started laying into me right in front of the the cop... "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU DOING GOING THAT FAST?! THAT'S NOT HOW I TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE. WAIT TILL WE GET HOME..." the officer is just standing there watching all this and decides to let me off with a warning. he drives off and my dad turns to me and says, "i wasn't really mad, i was just acting so you wouldn't get a ticket".

lol. :cheesy:
 
I was just working as a lock-down PA downtown Chicago. The first order of business was always to meet the cops. If they're on your side, then you know who to call when someone gets rowdy.
 
Wow, many "bad" stories. I must be lucky. I have been pulled over a few times (well, more than a few) But for minor stuff. I haven't had a ticket in over 3 years now. I always follow the same routine in a traffic stop. Signal over, put it in park, pop the hazards, and shut the engine off. Both hands on the steering wheel until told to do something else.

Be honest if asked a direct question. In court, their word means more than yours anyway. Lie to the officer when he has you cold, you fail the "attitude" test.

Maybe, it's just the cops in my area of California that are reasonable. Look, most of them are working stiffs just like the rest of us. But look what they have to deal with ALL day. It's no wonder some of them get what some call "an attitude". If I was a cop, and I had to deal with what's out there the way they do.............. I'd probably just start shooting people.
 
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