Shane Hurlbut: C300 VS Alexa

hgf4 said:
You could be right. I think Shane really knows his stuff but he hasn't had much time with the camera. But do you think he could be right, that footage from the 5D will inherently look more cinematic?
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Haha....if cinematic is soft, west-coast-hiphip-contrast and tough to keep in focus...then yes. Otherwise...nope.

Shane Hurlbut used the Cine2 setting to compare the C300 to the Alexa...that tells me he does´t really understand the Canon Cinegamma yet. He shot an ad that was screaming for a video look and maybe that´s when he used Cine2. For the Alexa contest he should have used different settings.

And yes the C300 is used like a videocamera. It is awesome in its ergonomics and menus. But the images can be adjusted in camera to your needs. Unlike the 5D which has one look and that´s it.I have seen C300 material where I would have sworn it was 5D (on youtube). But once you see it in real HD you will from now on spot the 5D as the "soft, slightly out of focus" shots.
 
when did soft mean film, or detailed and sharp mean video. did you watch any broadcast shows before hd times. did you watch film on dvd or bluray as opposed to whatever you can get on tv.



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i think i watched an episode or two(maybe more) of game of throne before tuning out(weird that i don't like any of the current sword & sorcery or sword & sandals fantasy shows).
maybe it was too drawn out. sometimes it's better to watch a season back to back, did it have a slow start? what episode does the kid fall from a high place after being pushed?

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IMHO, comparing a C300 to an Alexa is a very legitimate test. Do I understand the difference in price? Yes. And I don't care. I'm not buying either of these cameras. I've got 7 days of C300 rental under my belt. Realistically, if I have the need and the budget to rent an Alexa, I'm doing it. So this is a very viable test for me to judge the camera that I have been using to one that I will be very likely to use in the future.

Technology is changing too fast for me to own a "nice" cine camera. C300's have been getting into the hands of purchasers just within the last month or so, and we are already talking about the next better camera that comes in at half the cost. Renting gives me the flexibility to have ANY camera I want for any given shoot. Remember, there is no best camera - just the best one for a given situation. We just shot something with an iPhone because we needed footage that looked like it was shot with an iPhone. In that situation, the iPhone was better than the Alexa. I own an AF100 and a 7D and those are plenty for the day-to-day little projects that I do. I've become accustomed to renting, and unedited comparison tests like these are very valuable to me.
 
Kholi said:
...just said it doesn't look like baby Alexa, which was a huge claim.
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What's so huge about that claim? It's a baby GH2 is it?

That was quite a lame comparison video. Since when do you just set both cameras at completely different looks and settings and fire away? Shouldn't these professional people know why certain cameras look a certain way with certain settings?

I could do an Epic vs GH2 test like that. Oh wait. Those have been done.
 
Kholi said:
Your breakdown of a baby's components was horrific in my imagination, for some reason.

Do not want children, now.

Thanks Pappas. lol
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HUH, You mean your gonna turn down the opportunity to have your car washed, house cleaned, lawn mowed. And not to mention the pluses of having a live in film crew. Kholi, your looking at it all wrong. Kids can be great if you utilize them correctly. :)
 
maranfilms said:
HUH, You mean your gonna turn down the opportunity to have your car washed, house cleaned, lawn mowed. And not to mention the pluses of having a live in film crew. Kholi, your looking at it all wrong. Kids can be great if you utilize them correctly. :)
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Lol... I was just thinking about this last night: parents won't let their kids play with knives but they have no problems allowing them to operate a lawnmower.

Just teach them how to push a dolly instead. XD
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alpi69 said:
Shane Hurlbut used the Cine2 setting to compare the C300 to the Alexa...that tells me he does´t really understand the Canon Cinegamma yet. He shot an ad that was screaming for a video look and maybe that´s when he used Cine2. For the Alexa contest he should have used different settings.
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Alpi, question: is c-log the only way to shoot C300? If not, which is the setting you use to hand off to a client that won't. E grading much if at all? Like interviews for example.
 
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Kholi said:
Lol... I was just thinking about this last night: parents won't let their kids play with knives but they have no problems allowing them to operate a lawnmower.

Just teach them how to push a dolly instead. XD
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Alpi, question: is c-log the only way to shoot C300? If not, which is the setting you use to hand off to a client that won't. E grading much if at all? Like interviews for example.
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If it should intercut with Alexa I would probably use either Cine1 and drop the master pedestal or tweak the EoS Standard which has a nice highlight rendition
 
alpi69 said:
If it should intercut with Alexa I would probably use either Cine1 and drop the master pedestal or tweak the EoS Standard which has a nice highlight rendition
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Alright. The same guy that had his C300 fried hadn't figured it out yet, to both of us it seemed like the camera just wanted to be kept in the cinema mode deal (forgot the name of it), good info to have though.

Thanks.
 
Kholi said:
Alright. The same guy that had his C300 fried hadn't figured it out yet, to both of us it seemed like the camera just wanted to be kept in the cinema mode deal (forgot the name of it), good info to have though.

Thanks.
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Huh, not at all. I am also using C-Log right now, but it is not ideal for all shoots.
I am just working on my own Cine-Settings for post-production.

If you want to deliver without much post-work there are tons of options. Think HVX B-Press, Cine-V, Cine-D, HD NORM. Now add the EOS Standard to the mix which looks terrible (pretty much like a 5D in Standard mode), but it can be toned down a bit and then looks like 5D in Neutral mode. But it still will look like a baked in look. So Cine-1 is probably the more flexible setting. But I only had a few real working days with the cam and am still trying settings out.

C-Log is great when you want to be very flexible after the fact and when trying to match several C300s, of course.
 
qazwsx said:
Far from perfect, but here's an attempt to match the Canon to the Alexa footage:

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Great job. I tried a fast primary correction, but ended up with magenta in the skin tones, so you must have taken the effort for a secondary also. Thanks ;-)
 
alpi69 said:
Great job. I tried a fast primary correction, but ended up with magenta in the skin tones, so you must have taken the effort for a secondary also. Thanks ;-)
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Yeah, didn't spend too much time on it, but definitely a bit of secondary to shift the cyan/blue.
 
From the youtube video I must say that to my eyes the C300 is slighty overexposed and the alexa skintones in this video look off. Plus why is it so soft I dont get it looks like the clarity has been taken down . In other words they dont look human in the alexa shots. Just my opinion.
 
IMO the final product will pretty much look like the C300 did in the first place minus the in-cam sharpening. They didn´t want to touch the C300 as C and D cam and only use it in an emergency. The laexa will be graded to look good and they will need to get the skin tones to where the C300 was already.

Overall a pretty bad example of a camera-comparison with different settings altogether.
 
I definitely agree. The C300 skin tone is much better/accurate.

I would have gone the other way in my comparison, but the guys I had talked to about the videoo kept going on about how the C300 couldn't match the Alexa and it made me wanted to try and do it.
 
nice CC job qazwsx! Now I wonder: was the suit blue or green? will we ever find out? And will the new F700 make the suit look brown? :-)
 
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