Shane Hurlbut: C300 VS Alexa

mcgeedigital said:
Sorry, but that Alexa footage could have been graded MUCH better.
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That's possibly the creative look they went for, not necessarily an error or bad grading. The Alexa's got better DR, skin tones and roll off to name a few. Actors faces look great on Alexa. Of course the filter package was different on these, so that needs to be considered as well. Price aside from a rental POV, Alexa has a stunning image as does the C300- it's a fine camera, just out of it's class up against Alexa in many areas not just image.



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Seeing the C300 up against Alexa like that makes it look really bad.

Nowhere near the same quality... what happened to the baby Alexa claims? =[
 
Kholi said:
Seeing the C300 up against Alexa like that makes it look really bad.

Nowhere near the same quality... what happened to the baby Alexa claims? =[
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Are you kidding? You do understand that there is a massive price difference between the two cameras, right? And, just judging from what I see in this test, there's no reason why a C300 couldn't cut in quite well as a b-cam to the Alexa. Of course, I'm not the only one who thinks so since the camera has been routinely used as a second cam to Alexa's since they've been out.

I've personally seen it used that way on a few occasions, but you could always just ask Ron Howard
 
cowpunk52 said:
Are you kidding? You do understand that there is a massive price difference between the two cameras, right? And, just judging from what I see in this test, there's no reason why a C300 couldn't cut in quite well as a b-cam to the Alexa. Of course, I'm not the only one who thinks so since the camera has been routinely used as a second cam to Alexa's since they've been out.

I've personally seen it used that way on a few occasions, but you could always just ask Ron Howard
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Wait, what!? How much does Alexa cost?!?!?!

But now that I'm no longer kidding, it is a comparison video. One that was done objectively. I don't see the baby Alexa claim from this test, and it looks bad up against the camera. I was personally expecting it to be slightly better than what's represented.

Not even sure why the Ron Howard link was necessary. But, I had no idea who he was before you posted that, so I learned something new.
 
Nice job editing your post quickly after that passive aggressive comment (something to the effect of "why do people need famous filmmakers to validate their purchases"). Now I understand why people complain about you as a moderator.
 
Kholi said:
Not even sure why the Ron Howard link was necessary.
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The point was to illustrate and give a real-world example that large Alexa productions do, in fact, currently use the C300 as a b-cam. It's fair that you think it looks terrible next to an Arri, but many many professionals actually don't, and that's what I was showing.
 
cowpunk52 said:
The point was to illustrate and give a real-world example that large Alexa productions do, in fact, currently use the C300 as a b-cam. It's fair that you think it looks terrible next to an Arri, but many many professionals actually don't, and that's what I was showing.
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No, it's not fair. Because, once again, by stating what I saw my case was jumped and the comment inflated beyond anything more than just an opinion.

cowpunk52 said:
Nice job editing your post quickly after that passive aggressive comment (something to the effect of "why do people need famous filmmakers to validate their purchases"). Now I understand why people complain about you as a moderator.
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People complain because I don't agree and I openly state it. I corrected my post because I knew what was coming, and it still came. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I know plenty of people using the camera, never said it was a bad camera, just said it doesn't look like baby Alexa, which was a huge claim.

The camera test was put out for EVERYONE to see, and EVERYONE to form an opinion. There will be ones that some people agree with, ones that some people don't.
 
Kholi, that Alexa package is close to $100,000 not including a crew to run the thing. The C300 is $16,000 and can easily be handled by 1 or 2 people.

The image isn't close between them as much as it IS close, if that makes any sense. In detail levels especially, the C300 profile CUs looked quite amazing. I was a little disturbed by the purple blooming on the C300 shots when a white shirt was in frame, but I think a little color correction and/or exposing a bit lower could have solved that. I don't think they cared anyway, as the C300 wasn't used on those shots. "Baby Alexa" is pushing it (Alexa's highlight roll off and overall +2 stops of DR definitely give it an edge). But the C300 is definitely good enough to intercut with it as a B cam. They can be pretty close; it's just the Alexa will always have the edge. It better for 6x the cost.
 
NeedCreative said:
Kholi, that Alexa package is close to $100,000 not including a crew to run the thing. The C300 is $16,000 and can easily be handled by 1 or 2 people.
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Totally understand that. Absolutely. Shane posted a video comparison, that's all I commented on.

The image isn't close between them as much as it IS close, if that makes any sense. In detail levels especially, the C300 profile CUs looked quite amazing. I was a little disturbed by the purple blooming on the C300 shots when a white shirt was in frame, but I think a little color correction and/or exposing a bit lower could have solved that. I don't think they cared anyway, as the C300 wasn't used on those shots. "Baby Alexa" is pushing it (Alexa's highlight roll off and overall +2 stops of DR definitely give it an edge). But the C300 is definitely good enough to intercut with it as a B cam. They can be pretty close; it's just the Alexa will always have the edge. It better for 6x the cost.
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And TOTALLY agree here. Couldn't say anything opposite this post, and you're saying what I'm thinking: baby Alexa is a stretch. When I hear Baby Alexa I immediately go "Oh, looks like Alexa good".

I've seen the color fringe/bloom before, and recently saw people commenting on a video that had it through and through. I thought it was from shooting wide open but suppose not. Have you been able to correct that out of footage?
 
cowpunk52 said:
Now I understand why people complain about you as a moderator.
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Who complains about Kholi as a moderator? That's silly, he's one of the best on here. With all due respect, you're the one attacking him for having a different opinion. Not vice versa.

Personally, I think this "test" did a horrible job on the Alexa. It was even out of focus on one shot! It was practically set-up to fail and still looks way better (as it should $$$$).
 
Kholi said:
No, it's not fair. Because, once again, by stating what I saw my case was jumped and the comment inflated beyond anything more than just an opinion.
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I apologize for making you feel that I was jumping on your case. Like you, when I have a strongly opposing opinion, I don't keep it to myself. When you come on a particular camera's thread and say "nope, looks like crap," you have to be ready for people to fire back, disagree, back up their own claims, and want to know how you back up yours.


Kholi said:
People complain because I don't agree and I openly state it. I corrected my post because I knew what was coming, and it still came.
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I don't think it's the differing opinion that will make people upset; it's a veiled insult like what you had posted, and you know very well that's exactly what that was. But at least you had the good nature to edit it out quickly.

Kholi said:
Couldn't say anything opposite this post, and you're saying what I'm thinking: baby Alexa is a stretch. When I hear Baby Alexa I immediately go "Oh, looks like Alexa good".
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Actually, I whole-heartedly agree with this. But I never thought that 'baby Alexa' actually meant just as good as the Alexa. To me, it always meant that it would be a great b-cam. Obviously not as good, but plenty acceptable as a cutaway or alternate angle acquisition camera. To me, if it were to actually 'look really bad,' then it wouldn't be an acceptable b-cam for professional use next to an Alexa, and that's what I had a differing opinion about.
 
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Jester2138 said:
Who complains about Kholi as a moderator?.
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That was probably too harsh, and I put it in because I was a little butt-hurt at Kholi's original remark toward me about needing my purchase validated from successful filmmakers. I've noticed one or two other forum members that have expressed a little dissatisfaction on a couple of other threads, but I'm sure he could tell you more about them.

Jester2138 said:
you're the one attacking him for having a different opinion. Not vice versa.
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Ask Kholi about it, he's the one that changed his post.
 
cowpunk52 said:
I apologize if for making you feel that I was jumping on your case. Like you, when I have a strongly opposing opinion, I don't keep it to myself. When you come on a particular camera's thread and say "nope, looks like crap," you have to be ready for people to fire back, disagree, back up their own claims, and want to know how you back up yours.
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Well, it was a versus thread. And, we all know how that goes.

I don't think it's the differing opinion that will make people upset; it's a veiled insult like what you had posted, and you know very well that's exactly what that was. But at least you had the good nature to edit it out quickly.
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Well, the backlash came before I posted that (and edited it)...

I mean, of course I know how much an Alexa costs. You don't think that was blatantly insulting? LOL.

but the inquiry wasn't backhanded, it was genuine: every time a versus thread comes up, someone--without fail, needs to let everyone know that so and so is using the camera to do this or that. What's the point?

Just because one major director uses a Go Pro to capture his monumental scene doesn't mean much more than that's the choice he made. Is it done to invalidate other people's opinions on the boards? I'm sincerely confused as to why that matters or people do it.

That's why I posed the question, but the timing would've definitely left it to look like something else.

Either way, though.
 
I have no problem with saying "Baby Alexa" ... The words alone say enough.

A baby is not an Adult ( that's obvious ). Yes it's a human, smaller in size, less capable as its adult counterparts- Not expected to compete at the same level as an adult, nor expected to do so. However they share similarities, like organs, hands, feet, eyeballs etc. Not a replacement for an adult. However a baby can coexist with adults......

That's what "Baby Alexa" means....


I've shot on both, and the two are awesome, and I don't for second mix them up as I know what I would be in store for from either one.


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PappasArts said:
A baby is not an Adult ( that's obvious ). Yes it's a human, smaller in size, less capable as its adult counterparts- Not expected to compete at the same level as an adult, nor expected to do so. However they share similarities, like organs, hands, feet, eyeballs etc.
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Your breakdown of a baby's components was horrific in my imagination, for some reason.

Do not want children, now.

Thanks Pappas. lol
 
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