Seperate audio, or juicedlink DT454 audio into camera?

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gutterball321

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So when I first got into DSLR's from my dvx100b everyone told me to stop plugging my xlr mics into the camera and record audio seperate. So for the past 5 years i have either recorded audio seperate or used the rode videomic with a 10 foot cable straight into my camera.

So now that DSLRs have been making progress, can i start plugging my NTG-2 into the juicedlink DT454 and have that straight into my camera? Or will i get better audio going from my microphone to an H4n? I am asking because my recorder broke and i dont know if i should buy a new one or put that money towards a preamp link the juicedlink? It says it has 4 channels? Can i record with 2 lavs at the same time into my dslr? or can i record with 2 booms at once with this device going into my gh4?

Any better or cheaper options than this:
http://www.amazon.com/JuicedLink-4-...d=1406839870&sr=1-1&keywords=juicedLink+DT414
 
Jaime Valles said:
I use a Tascam DR-40:
http://www.amazon.com/DR-40-4-Track...8&qid=1406861794&sr=8-1&keywords=tascam+dr-40

I then connect that to the GH4 via this cable:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/746645-REG/Sescom_LN2MIC_ZOOMH4N_LN2MIC_ZOOMH4N_Line_to.html

That way, I can record from my XLR microphones into the camera directly, AND into the Tascam simultaneously. Works like a charm, and is cheaper than the JuicedLink.
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I have the Tascam dr-40 and it started adding a squeaking noise for no reason so i dont want to buy another one. I tried different mics and different xlr cables and its def the recorder. I wonder if that cable would help?
 
gutterball321 said:
I have the Tascam dr-40 and it started adding a squeaking noise for no reason so i dont want to buy another one. I tried different mics and different xlr cables and its def the recorder. I wonder if that cable would help?
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If the Tascam "started adding a squeaking noise" it was not for no reason. Off the top of my head, what you are describing may have been feedback for having headphones too close to a source. If not feedback than there is a problem with your specific sample, if you bought it new you should return it.

Running a mic level output from a mixer like a juicedlink (or whatever) to camera is marginally simpler than using a double-system audio recording system, I think the best option is to do both, use the external recorder as your mixer and sending the out to the camera, this gives you a backup as well as a solid sync reference. The issue for some time has been finding a recorder that will output a mic level signal that the cameras (DSLRs) can handle, but now there are several recorders that specifically do this. FWIW I like the mic pres on the Tascams I have used better than Zooms.
 
gutterball321 said:
So when I first got into DSLR's from my dvx100b everyone told me to stop plugging my xlr mics into the camera and record audio seperate. So for the past 5 years i have either recorded audio seperate or used the rode videomic with a 10 foot cable straight into my camera.

So now that DSLRs have been making progress, can i start plugging my NTG-2 into the juicedlink DT454 and have that straight into my camera? Or will i get better audio going from my microphone to an H4n? I am asking because my recorder broke and i dont know if i should buy a new one or put that money towards a preamp link the juicedlink? It says it has 4 channels? Can i record with 2 lavs at the same time into my dslr? or can i record with 2 booms at once with this device going into my gh4?

Any better or cheaper options than this:
http://www.amazon.com/JuicedLink-4-...d=1406839870&sr=1-1&keywords=juicedLink+DT414
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I did a comparo of the Zoom H6 recorder to the GH3: http://www.homebrewedmusic.com/2014/01/23/lumix-gh3-audio-vs-zoom-h6/ It includes clips you can download for critical listening.

The H6 and the H5 have quieter preamps than the H4n. They also have a line out separate from the headphone out, and with the latest firmware there's a soft pad that can pull down the line out up to 30 dB if needed.

And the H5 is less expensive than the Juicedlink you linked.

Fran
 
I got the zoom h4n for a shoot and it worked much easier than the dr-40. The dr-40 was new and worked fine for a few months (i think), the issue only starts up after ive been using it for about 10 minutes. I dont think it could be an over heating issue? but turning it off for a few hours it will work again for 10 minutes of straight recording then start adding the noise which gets worse and worse the longer it is used. I have it set on something stable and the mic is on a c-stand so nothing is being moved or messed with. The only thing I can think that would have screwed it up would have been turning on phantom power on accident with a mic already being powered by batteries.

I will stick with my H4N, but still wondering if there is an easier set up so I dont always have to sync audio for every simple shoot.
 
gutterball321 said:
I got the zoom h4n for a shoot and it worked much easier than the dr-40. The dr-40 was new and worked fine for a few months (i think), the issue only starts up after ive been using it for about 10 minutes. I dont think it could be an over heating issue? but turning it off for a few hours it will work again for 10 minutes of straight recording then start adding the noise which gets worse and worse the longer it is used. I have it set on something stable and the mic is on a c-stand so nothing is being moved or messed with. The only thing I can think that would have screwed it up would have been turning on phantom power on accident with a mic already being powered by batteries.

I will stick with my H4N, but still wondering if there is an easier set up so I dont always have to sync audio for every simple shoot.
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How did the samples sound in the demo posted just above your entry? Would that level of recording quality meet your need?

Fran
 
The Tascam Dr-60 is a steal now, and it has pretty good pre-amps for the price. You can run that right into the GH4 as a backup track, or if you use shotguns mics, keep the GH4 audio separate for ambient.
 
Another +1 on the Tascam DR-60D. I have it mounted on a "magic arm" connected to my rig and connect to my camera. I have safety backups recorded on the recorder, but I've never had to use them. No more syncing in post.
 
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