seeing dead people

Hawk, your figure was about 6' or was it the 3' variety? Shadowmen is what they are called, and the shorter ones are sometimes considered to be weaker minions of the demon world. Not much is really known about them. We had the shorter ones in our last home, you would see them going by out of the corner of your eye. I used to joke they were the ghosts of the 7 Dwarfs.

It is really hard to share stories with the general public, because as soon as you say "ghost", you get "the look" as the person backs away thinking you are a fruitcake. I can understand the skepticism, because that is the same look I gave my family when they described their encounters, and sure, there could be other explanations.

In our case, I only wish it were a cuddly ghost, but a lot of the characteristics were almost demonic. Knocks on the wall in 3's, and usually the activity spiked around 3 am. What really convinced me that it was inhuman in nature, was when I saw it. That was what really shook me, as it had the figure of a man in colonial garb, complete with a tri cornered hat. But the face was wrapped in bandages like a mummy, with sunken pig like eyes and furry animal like hands. This sounded similar to the stories of the elemental at Leap Castle.

Yeah, it sounds like the Capt has been smoking some heavy stuff... but not too long ago, my wife ran into our former neighbor. She said her daughter had seen what she claimed was a cowboy in a cape several times from a distance. I could see how she thought that. What we had was not specific to just our house apparently, but more to the general area.

After the Hurricanes had trashed our home, we spent the next year and a half trying to rebuild. Since the mortgage company snatched the insurance money and didn't want to release it so that we could get the house done, it went very slow. We were forced to move back in before it was done, and I continued working on it. This is when the activity really got out of control, to the point we called in paranormal investigators. They didn't find much aside from really wacky EMF readings that were about four feet off the ground and went up and down the street, and some orb activity. I laughed at them when they mentioned orbs, because orbs mean nothing- specially when there was no carpeting and lots of masonary dust inside. But then they showed me the video. The "orbs" would start flying real heavy in one room and disappear, then start up in another room. I have no idea what else they may have found, because they never called back.

One night, I was really curious, so I hooked up my wireless lapel mic and set it on top of the thermostat in the hallway, and ran the receiver into my PC and recorded it live overnight. The next day I listened to that huge audio file and found two things of interest- the first was a sniffing/snorting sound, and the second was the sound of a door slamming. The mic was at least four feet off the floor, so I know it wasn't my dog. As for the door slam, that doesn't sound suspicious at all, until you realize that we hadn't put any interior doors in yet.

Yeah, it was really interesting there, and I have barely mentioned a portion of what we experienced.
 
I have to ask...are we having some kind of serious conversation here...?

I can usually spot tongue-in-cheek pretty well, but this thread is starting to baffle me.
 
I was asleep in my dorm room, and it was around 5AM. Suddenly I woke up scared out of my mind. Almost as though I'd had a bad dream and it was still affecting me. I didn't have any dreams, though. I was facing the wall, and I felt a presence in the room (other than my roommates), and I slowly turned toward the door. As I did, I saw a black figure at the doorway (which was next to my bed) standing there. Then, I saw it walk through the room. When I say black figure, that's the best way for me to describe it. It actually wasn't so much "black" as it was a void of anything. It was a void where this 'person' would be. Imagine something darker than a completely crushed black. I watched it walk through our room, and through the wall opposite the door. Just ... gone.

dude, those shrooms will mess you up. :evil:
 
Given that people die in hospital wards on a daily basis, I think this story can be sort of explained away by coincidence.

And having seen my dad on morphine, I also know how common it is to hallucinate images about death while on that drug. It's the most common pain killer in hospitals for serious pain. My dad kept seeing a skull on the bed. There wasn't a skull or a ghost, it was just the morphine talking.
 
There isn't anything directly connected to 'ghost sightings' that can't be explained in terms of memory, neurophysiology and psychology (or psychiatry).

It's strange that people in a society saturated with the concrete products of Scientific Methodology still dig pre-Medieval conceptions of the world. Potentially very dangerous, too. Real-world high technology held by a democracy in which the citizens still buy into primitivist world-views can be darned scary.
 
There isn't anything directly connected to 'ghost sightings' that can't be explained in terms of memory, neurophysiology and psychology (or psychiatry).

It's strange that people in a society saturated with the concrete products of Scientific Methodology still dig pre-Medieval conceptions of the world. Potentially very dangerous, too. Real-world high technology held by a democracy in which the citizens still buy into primitivist world-views can be darned scary.


Now now, EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion...
 
OK, I just went looking for a quote from Gil Grissom which was on topic -- about why people make all sorts of scary things out of glimpses in the corner of the eye -- and found a whole bunch of slash fanfiction I could have lived quite happily without knowing it existed.
 
There isn't anything directly connected to 'ghost sightings' that can't be explained in terms of memory, neurophysiology and psychology (or psychiatry).

It's strange that people in a society saturated with the concrete products of Scientific Methodology still dig pre-Medieval conceptions of the world. Potentially very dangerous, too. Real-world high technology held by a democracy in which the citizens still buy into primitivist world-views can be darned scary.

scientific method is not an end, it is a means to understand the physical world. it is limited by our senses and our ability to build technology that goes beyond what we can experience naturally. undiscovered realities exist which we are currently incapable of knowing (but may know in the future). i would say that there are experiences that cannot be explained using current scientific models.
 
scientific method is not an end, it is a means to understand the physical world. it is limited by our senses and our ability to build technology that goes beyond what we can experience naturally. undiscovered realities exist which we are currently incapable of knowing (but may know in the future). i would say that there are experiences that cannot be explained using current scientific models.

By your own statement, that we are currently incapable of knowing these things, you have no more reason to think they are supernatural than to think they are an. "undigested bit of beef"
 
There isn't anything directly connected to 'ghost sightings' that can't be explained in terms of memory, neurophysiology and psychology (or psychiatry).

It's strange that people in a society saturated with the concrete products of Scientific Methodology still dig pre-Medieval conceptions of the world. Potentially very dangerous, too. Real-world high technology held by a democracy in which the citizens still buy into primitivist world-views can be darned scary.

Explain the big void of a 'person' in my room. I don't usually wake up until 10. Why would I have been up at 5? Why would OTHERS have woken up at the same time? I'm not saying you're wrong, please don't hear that. I'm just asking you explain a little more.
 
scientific method is not an end, it is a means to understand the physical world. it is limited by our senses and our ability to build technology that goes beyond what we can experience naturally. undiscovered realities exist which we are currently incapable of knowing (but may know in the future). i would say that there are experiences that cannot be explained using current scientific models.
Actually, a LOT of things can be explained using the current scientific models. The problem arises from people so vested in their own world view that they unwilling to consider these explanations.
 
There isn't anything directly connected to 'ghost sightings' that can't be explained in terms of memory, neurophysiology and psychology (or psychiatry).

It's strange that people in a society saturated with the concrete products of Scientific Methodology still dig pre-Medieval conceptions of the world. Potentially very dangerous, too. Real-world high technology held by a democracy in which the citizens still buy into primitivist world-views can be darned scary.
Until there is solid proof, there is much that will be questioned by those who have not experienced an actual occurrence. But, like many other things- God, Satan, Heaven and Hell, are widely believed to be real by billions- yet there is no proof. What is even funnier is, a huge chunk of those will readily believe in Christ rising from the dead and the Holy Ghost. However, Uncle Fred who died 30 years ago couldn't possibly come back to visit.

I can agree with much of your statement, and it is best to be suspicious and skeptical. But to completely dismiss it is ignorance, in the purest sense of the word.
 
Actually, a LOT of things can be explained using the current scientific models. The problem arises from people so vested in their own world view that they unwilling to consider these explanations.

i agree, many things can be explained. there are also people who reject these explanations based on their worldview. i'm more referring to things that exist in the objective world that we are incapable of knowing as of yet because of current physical limitations and understanding of reality.
 
scientific method is not an end, it is a means to understand the physical world.

Yes. The only consistently productive means, with predictive power, that is available to us.

undiscovered realities exist which we are currently incapable of knowing


If they are undiscovered, where is the evidence that they exist?

i would say that there are experiences that cannot be explained using current scientific models.

They may not be amenable to explanation by present scientific models, but that doesn't mean that the scientific method is still not the best tool to apply toward understanding them.

And, if we are talking about experiences like seeing things and hearing things and smelling things that go bump-in-the-night, there's no shortage of data to back up the proposition that the senses can be deceived and the mind's interpretation of their input can be distorted, which is a more economical, and therefore better explanation than spirits and boogums and angels, oh my.
 
But to completely dismiss it is ignorance, in the purest sense of the word.

Making a choice between a fantastical conclusion based upon superstition and perhaps a dose of wish-fulfillment, and a conclusion rooted in data and observations collected from repeated experiment, is hardly ignorance.

For example, there is experimental evidence that exposure to electromagnetic fields can produce auditory and visual hallucinations, feelings of a 'presence,' and impressions of shadowy figures. And as it happens, observation has demonstrated that the Earth itself can naturally produce localized electromagnetic fields comparable to those used in the lab. So given (a) a neurological phenomenon that's known to exist, and an electromagnetic phenomenon that's known to exist, under rigorous lab conditions versus (b) feelings and creepy crawlies and 'unknown dimensions' whose existence has never been shown but in which we are for some reason expected to believe, does (a) or (b) impress as being the more likely general explanation?

That's only one example, but I think it's an illustrative one.
 
Guys chill,

I love science here probably more than anybody, but even science is limited and this is a fact, I think of science as the lower sphere of knowledge, once you have exhausted the lower sciences one needs to move into higher levels of knowledge namely theology and Philosophy.

Alot of people abuse science and try to align it towards their own philosophical veiwpoint, when in reality and LOGICALLY it should be a purely agnostic stance, either position is a bias not supported by science (thats theist OR athiest).

Science is a tool, its the nuts and bolts reductionist view, one that describes "HOW" the color of a rose is red, but it can not explain the reason "WHY" its beautiful, thats a wholistic view that references beyond the shepre of science, for the "WHY" we need a different tool.

"And if your toolbox consists of only one tool, you really need to get a new toolbox"
 
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