Samsung to stop producing cameras and lenses?

I am not rebutting this (just the Nikon Rumors guy).

In any case, I agree. Today, Samsung UK issued a statement that, "Nikon is not acquiring the Samsung NX business". Which is one of those "non-denial" denials. ("I have no comments and you can quote me on that!") Nikon, as suggested many times over, isn't "buying" Samsung; it is buying from Samsung. It may be a subtle difference but enough to make a PR guy proud. Much like, "We're not withdrawing from the camera business. But we are withdrawing from Germany, UK, Scandinavia, etc".

PS. There was also a poster on DP Review who said that Samsung has been testing a full frame sensor in Germany. It wasn't inside a camera but connected to the boards, etc.
 
I also didn't think Samsung was selling its camera business to Nikon. Instead, they are (probably) setting up a long-term cooperation agreement by which Nikon helps in the initial steps of the design (basically, saying what they need), Samsung makes the sensor and sells it to Nikon, maybe also coupled with processors and memory and whatnot.
 
Right and this cooperation/partnership can involve Samsung "getting a piece of the action" too. In other words, they won't be just a vendor but an active co-developer/co-manufacturer of the various models, someone that will also have profit sharing in those models.

My speculation is that Nikon will "buy" sensors and pertinent electronic components from Samsung for its 'traditional" DSLR line and co-develop the mirrorless - and perhaps, the camcorder - lineups as partners with Samsung. I don't know if they will announce it as having "Samsung inside" but, when people begin to tear down these cameras, they will find a lot of Samsung labels in there.
 
I think you guys are correct - it makes much more sense for Samsung and Nikon to work together... that's a win-win. Samsung can guarantee sensors to Nikon (maybe with Nikon input as to what they require), and Nikon can totally help Samsung with their camera business. It may be a bit tricky in that if Samsung is serious about their camera business, that will necessarily make them rivals too. But that's not unprecedented - Sony sells sensors to their camera rivals.
 
homestar_kevin said:
I'm thinking of doing the same thing.

I want that 16-50 PZ to use on my nx1 body, buying the nx500 might be the best way to go.
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Lol that was my same idea, the 16-50 is better for stabilizers and it sells for $300, so for an extra $200 I have a capable lens cap that happens to shoot 4K with less rolling shutter than the Nx1.
 
What if this partnership results in a sort of full frame m43 standard. Sensors and CPUs from Samsung and lenses from Nikon. Both building cameras off the same mount.
 
The NX mount has a flange to focal distance for 25.5mm and the Nikon F mount has a FtFD of 46.5mm. Sony uses a 18mm FtFD for full frame. So it's possible they could build the same and offer adapters for their legacy lenses.
 
macgregor said:
Lol that was my same idea, the 16-50 is better for stabilizers and it sells for $300, so for an extra $200 I have a capable lens cap that happens to shoot 4K with less rolling shutter than the Nx1.
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Exactly where my head is at.

Good to know it's not crazy to think that way, or at least I'm not the only one seeing that!

nx500 is great because of the longer reach afforded by the 4k crop as well.

Going to grab a Ronin-M next month, so the nx1 and 16-50 will be my go to combination for awhile I think
 
roxics said:
What if this partnership results in a sort of full frame m43 standard. Sensors and CPUs from Samsung and lenses from Nikon. Both building cameras off the same mount.
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roxics said:
The NX mount has a flange to focal distance for 25.5mm and the Nikon F mount has a FtFD of 46.5mm. Sony uses a 18mm FtFD for full frame. So it's possible they could build the same and offer adapters for their legacy lenses.
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IMO, the mount must be Nikon F because NX was one of the reasons so few people bought into the Samsung ecosystem. And, if this partnership boosts Nikon's sales numbers - and it should significantly - then there's no reason for them to make it open standard.

As to sensors, I assume any sensor can work with any mount, provided the cameras are engineered with it in mind.
 
Giriki said:
Cinema camera, thank you.
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I had to think about this for a few minutes. Maybe the dots can be connected here, maybe not.

Here are the clues -

1) D5 - Nikon announced that it was "developing" it but provided no specs. The secrecy may have been for a reason. It wasn't ready to reveal a certain partnership.

2) Samsung is alleged to have been working on a full frame sensor. D5 has a full frame sensor.

3) The NX sensor technology is not dead. The NX line is. Ergo, the NX sensor finds its way into a non-Samsung body. Possibly a D5 body.

So, to sum it up - D5 should have have a Samsung NX full frame sensor. Projecting the pixel count off NX-1 APS-C 28 MPX, we're hitting the 60 MPX mark. Something like this could do a 444 RGB readout for 4K with its 27.6 center-crop, making it the first video camera with the 4K RGB. Now, that would be big news, specially if it had a Raw recording capability too.
 
DLD said:
IMO, the mount must be Nikon F because NX was one of the reasons so few people bought into the Samsung ecosystem. And, if this partnership boosts Nikon's sales numbers - and it should significantly - then there's no reason for them to make it open standard.

As to sensors, I assume any sensor can work with any mount, provided the cameras are engineered with it in mind.
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Somehow I doubt that. F-mount is 46.5mm flange to focal distance. While this is no mandate to change that, so far all camera manufactures who have gone mirrorless have reduced that depth because they could take out the mirror now. So there is some reason to believe Nikon would do the same and then just offer an F-mount adapter for legacy lenses. The same as Canon did with EOS-M. It would also allow the new Nikon mirrorless cameras to compete with other cameras that can have cinema lenses adapted to them due to the shorter FtFD.

I don't particually believe this might be an open standard exactly the same as m43, but perhaps a shared standard between just Nikon and Samsung. Especially if it's a new mount and Samsung continues to produce cameras themselves. It would benefit Samsung to be able to use the same lenses as Nikon and maybe that's part of the deal Samsung made. I could see them coming to the table and saying "we'll build you sensors and chipsets, but in trade we want to be able to use your lenses." That would not be the first time Nikon lenses were used on other bodies, Kodak DSLRs and even a recent Canon camera have used F-mount. But if they create a new mount together, then it would be natural that both would use it and Nikon would just sell an electronic F-mount adapter.

Of course I'm just guessing here, we all are. But I do think it would be a smart move for both companies. This is a new market. People aren't buying these cameras the way they used to. There was a time when point and shoot cameras were the bread and butter of these companies, now they have to rely more on their pro cameras and other product areas, so there isn't as much need to be proprietary. If I had the choice between a Canon mount and a Nikon/Samsung mount I would go with the latter simply beause I know I then have the choice between cameras made by two different companies to put my expensive mirrorless lenses on. My lenses are not locked into camera bodies made by only one company if I want full electronic control.
 
roxics said:
... Of course I'm just guessing here, we all are.l.
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Actually, while the particulars can always be changed, the general partnership is pretty much confirmed by Samsung, if you read between the lines. What they said publicly was that, "Despite speculation, Nikon did not buy the NX technology from Samsung". Had they not been inching toward an announcement, they would have said that any speculations about their partnership going forward is wildly off-base. Instead, they left themselves a giant escape hole, which will allow the to say later on, "No, we're not selling Nikon the sensor from the APS-C NX line. We're developing a completely new full frame design for Nikon". (by the way, publicly listed companies have to be very careful in what they say or don't say or they are subject to multiple law suits) Then, when D5 is announced and someone asks, "How much technology do the NX and the D5 sensors have in common?", they can easily reply that it's a private matter and that the design team had input from multiple sources, etc. And, in that regard, they'll be totally legally right.

BTW, here's an interesting sensor video from Film IQ, physics and all.

 
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Apparently, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.


[ET NEWS] Samsung Electronics has recently stopped producing and selling digital cameras, hinting at the Korean tech giant’s departure from the waning market, industry sources said on April 7.

“We no longer produce and sell digital cameras,” said a Samsung official on condition of anonymity. “But we will create a new camera product category to continue the business.”
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http://www.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20170407000537

Don't anyone act surprised.
 
And this is why Samsung quit the camera biz -

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