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NorBro
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I didn't want to say anything - especially because CR usually knows best - but I was curious how Sony would have been okay with Canon releasing it this close to the A1.
They usually get a few uninterrupted months and I know it's been a couple since the A1 started shipping, but it doesn't feel like the camera is really out there (maybe due to any shortages)...but maybe it is though.
They usually get a few uninterrupted months and I know it's been a couple since the A1 started shipping, but it doesn't feel like the camera is really out there (maybe due to any shortages)...but maybe it is though.
In terms of product market positioning, R3 looks to be a more of a A9 (MKII) competitor at $4,500 rather than A1 at $6,500 ... if the predicted specs are in the ballpark. A1 seems to be in its own class and may remain so if R1 is more of a ultra high resolution (70-100 MPX) model for studio/landscape/architecture.
Side note - A1 is moving a lot of units for a $6,500 offering. As of now, it bests everything on specs, except the Fuji medium format for resolution for the previously mentioned studio/landscape/architecture. And even there, 50MPX is generally more than enough. Of course, there a 50 MPX 5DS R at $1,500 and 42 MPX A7RII at $1,300 are better values but it appears that pros can easily afford to splurge $6,500 on a super Jack-of-all-trades.
Side note - A1 is moving a lot of units for a $6,500 offering. As of now, it bests everything on specs, except the Fuji medium format for resolution for the previously mentioned studio/landscape/architecture. And even there, 50MPX is generally more than enough. Of course, there a 50 MPX 5DS R at $1,500 and 42 MPX A7RII at $1,300 are better values but it appears that pros can easily afford to splurge $6,500 on a super Jack-of-all-trades.
Fuji Rumors still asserts that H2 will have 8K and be priced below GH-6. Naturally, one has to assume significant crippling of the video features, including the AF. However, to get 8K, they'd have to get to ~ 42 MPX in 3/2, which would give it a nice jump on their competitors in the APS-C stills market. Even if it's going to a 2022 model, the chess board is filling up.
Bassman2003
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8k is beginning to sound gross. Looks like it will be a badge that every camera needs to have even though it will probably be compressed to death on most lower models. More hard drive fodder in the pursuit to deliver stuff on peoples' smartphones. The circle is looking pretty stupid from my point of view.
icarusfilm
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Most of the stuff I shoot for broadcast docs I shoot in 1080p sometimes it’s 4K. I find it way more important how good the image is at any given resolution than the resolution itself. High resolution only amplifies IQ issues.
It depends on the codec. In H265, Samsung NX1 delivered a pretty decent image at 80 Mbps. Multiply that times three and a manufacturer ought to be able to produce likewise at around 250 Mbps in 8K.
And H266 was announced as ready a year ago and promises to cut the required bandwidth by another 50%.
https://www.cined.com/h-266-versatile-video-codec-vvc-announced/
ahalpert
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Rebounded relative to 2019 like the camera numbers you quoted? Or relative to 2020?
I don't know how much of the camera market is pro buyers vs hobbyists. I would imagine that pro buyers are heavily influenced by business conditions. Whereas smartphone purchases are largely consumerist and it would be natural for people to divert funds from traveling and eating out (which they couldn't do as much) to buying a new phone
I don't disagree that camera sales are spiraling downward and that where they will plateau is unclear. I just think this data is not super definitive because we're in unusual circumstances
Sort of like housing prices. How much are they inflated due to the foreclosure and eviction moratorium? How much due to materials shortages? I have no idea. But i know that they're temporarily inflated
The housing prices are up to to the low interest rates.
As to the camera sales, a few years ago, Canon execs predicted a plateau of 5,000,000 because that's how many film cameras were being sold way back when. But, in reality, nobody knows anything.
My thoughts are that "real professional users" represent a minute portion of the overall market. I looked it up once with JCS. (since banned). There are about 40,000 photographers making a living at it in the US. So, even with GAS, GAS, GAS, it's next to nothing visavis 8,000,000-12,000,000 ILC units moved globally. Which means that most buyers are amateurs/enthusiasts with the various degrees of financial commitment to the craft. And the continuously improving quality of smartphone cameras are making an ILC largely irrelevant, with the exception of action/sports/BiF.
PS. A few years ago, I posted that, once the periscope zooms become ubiquitous, there'll be no more reasons to purchase an ILC (sans the above exceptions). Well, that's pretty much the current state of the smartphone market. Optical/digital/hybrid zooms are pretty much in every smartphone, mid-price and up. And that renders ILC's superfluous.
PPS. There are rumors of Samsung Galaxy S22, with a 200 MPX sensor, coming out in 2022. The market is reaching the point where even the smartphone cameras are excess to requirements.
As to the camera sales, a few years ago, Canon execs predicted a plateau of 5,000,000 because that's how many film cameras were being sold way back when. But, in reality, nobody knows anything.
My thoughts are that "real professional users" represent a minute portion of the overall market. I looked it up once with JCS. (since banned). There are about 40,000 photographers making a living at it in the US. So, even with GAS, GAS, GAS, it's next to nothing visavis 8,000,000-12,000,000 ILC units moved globally. Which means that most buyers are amateurs/enthusiasts with the various degrees of financial commitment to the craft. And the continuously improving quality of smartphone cameras are making an ILC largely irrelevant, with the exception of action/sports/BiF.
PS. A few years ago, I posted that, once the periscope zooms become ubiquitous, there'll be no more reasons to purchase an ILC (sans the above exceptions). Well, that's pretty much the current state of the smartphone market. Optical/digital/hybrid zooms are pretty much in every smartphone, mid-price and up. And that renders ILC's superfluous.
PPS. There are rumors of Samsung Galaxy S22, with a 200 MPX sensor, coming out in 2022. The market is reaching the point where even the smartphone cameras are excess to requirements.
The rate went from 5.5% to 3.25%, which is a 40% difference. To borrow half a line from Turk Solozzo, "If you consider a 40% insignificant, te salut".
And, while I agree that one has to throw the 2020 chart out of the window, 2021 portends a few things. Follow the discretionary spending data.
And, while I agree that one has to throw the 2020 chart out of the window, 2021 portends a few things. Follow the discretionary spending data.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Btw I see estimates of 120k photogs in the US. I dont think that includes videographers. If that percentage of the population is the same throughout the world, there would he about 3 million or more cameramen worldwide. 5 million units sold annually might be a stretch, but I could believe 4 million. And those units will be several times the cost of the P&S sales that have been converted to smartphone sales. So, while the halcyon days of the camera industry are never to return, it isn't all doom and gloom
https://datausa.io/profile/soc/photographers
And anecdotally, I've noticed that fewer wedding photographers/videographers that I shoot with are rocking new cameras this year. Like none. Which is unusual. Usually people are giving me camera envy. But i assume that people buy gear with the previous year's profits, of which there was little in this particular sector
https://datausa.io/profile/soc/photographers
And anecdotally, I've noticed that fewer wedding photographers/videographers that I shoot with are rocking new cameras this year. Like none. Which is unusual. Usually people are giving me camera envy. But i assume that people buy gear with the previous year's profits, of which there was little in this particular sector
Well, based on the current level of available technology, a "perfect" wedding camera body would record in 6K with a minimal line skip, 10-bit log internally, have a stills resolution from mid-30's to mid-40's with a decent high ISO/low light performance, a top notch auto focus in both stills and video and not overheat.
And, not so oddly enough, there are no such cameras.
Side note - right before I joined DVXUser, Samsung released K-Zoom, a marriage between a smartphone and a point & shoot. It had a 20 MPX sensor and a 10x optical zoom. Naturally, it was pretty chunky, even before the lens extended outward. The design didn't generate much interest and Samsung let it wither. A two-piece Sony QX 100 died off too. Conclusion - convenience uber alles. A smartphone with multiple fixed focal length lens cameras rules.
And, not so oddly enough, there are no such cameras.
Side note - right before I joined DVXUser, Samsung released K-Zoom, a marriage between a smartphone and a point & shoot. It had a 20 MPX sensor and a 10x optical zoom. Naturally, it was pretty chunky, even before the lens extended outward. The design didn't generate much interest and Samsung let it wither. A two-piece Sony QX 100 died off too. Conclusion - convenience uber alles. A smartphone with multiple fixed focal length lens cameras rules.