S1H new price

Thank you so much Norbro .
Prices are good and on eBay you may find a better deal , but every time I see pictures of a claimed mint condition or 9 grade use , I escape really quick because of the heavy signs of use and scratches.

I really hope that panasonic will reduce the EVA1 for another $1000, I wish that Mitch may give us any hope about this or if there would be a new replacement for the EVA1 soon.
 
I saw one go for about $3400 on eBay a while back. I feel like demand for them has increased a bit since BRAW was announced.

I am highly considering an EVA1 as I love the S1 image so much. It would be a nice complimentary camera. Its hard to go back to having a camera where you can't push it past 800 iso after using 4000 iso so much.
 
DLD said:
And now, with S1H down to $3,500, S1H II specs are popping up.
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Thanks for heads up, link: https://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/first-rumored-panasonic-s1h-ii-specs-8k24p-and-built-in-nd/

Take with a grain of salt. Either way, if they jump to 8K sensor, I would hope/assume no loss in lowlight capabilities. I also hope there remains an option for 4K HEVC 10-bit 4:2:0 as NVDEC doesn't support HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 hardware decoding, only up to 4:2:0, so retaining that shooting option would be key for fast GPU decode of the codec.

Built in electronic variable ND would be hugely welcome, and an update sooner rather than later would also be hugely welcome.
 
Rumors for 8K S1H II and A7RV make perfect sense. R5 set the standard. It forces others to respond.

By the time these new models come out, R5 will be one+ year old. And maybe there'll be an R5c too.

It's really business as usual.
 
And, presuming this is Sony's new sensor, this sums up all the previous rumors that have been percolating around the webs quite nicely.

A7IV will have ~ 42 MPX for stills but won't have 8K. In its stead, it will have a line skipping 6K or line skipping 4K. And an 8-bit HEVC codec to boot, at $2,500.

A7SIV will have 42 MPX, 8K and HEVC and will thus compete against R5 at $4,000.

A7RV will have various crop modes and its current 61 MPX for stills at $3,500.

Roughly speaking.
 
DLD said:
And, presuming this is Sony's new sensor, this sums up all the previous rumors that have been percolating around the webs quite nicely.

A7IV will have ~ 42 MPX for stills but won't have 8K. In its stead, it will have a line skipping 6K or line skipping 4K. And an 8-bit HEVC codec to boot, at $2,500.
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There is precisely no chance that the α7 IV will have significantly worse noise, dynamic range, and moiré than the α7 III, which is what line-skipping would unavoidably entail. You realise that line-skipping throws away half the light, right? It’s like using a sensor half the size but with additional artefacts from the gaps.
 
Samuel Dilworth said:
There is precisely no chance that the α7 IV will have significantly worse noise, dynamic range, and moiré than the α7 III, which is what line-skipping would unavoidably entail. You realise that line-skipping throws away half the light, right? It’s like using a sensor half the size but with additional artefacts from the gaps.
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Sony's MO is to keep the existing cameras on the store shelves but slide them down the pecking order. If so, A7III will remain in the lineup for years to come.

So let's talk about the specs. The bandied about rumors for A7IV have it at 30-32 MPX, in which case they could do an oversampled 6K but that would require a different production line for a different sensor and would force them to up the video quality for an expected $500-$700 price gap between III and IV. It's much easier in terms of both marketing and manufacturing to have the same sensor and to limit its performance in software.

And it'd also make more sense to have A7IV with a high tier stills performance and an OK video in order to protect A7SIII and the likely A7SIV. A 30-32 MPX photo and a mediocre 8-bit video won't sell well at $2,500 (rumored A7IV price). A 42 MPX photo and line-skipping 6K would. And a 42 MPX stills portions still protects A7RIV and V, which have a 61 MPX data collector.

A kick-ass video on the other hand- 10-bit, high bit rate codec, etc. - will take sales from the A7S-models, which is why the A-line will always be more photo-centric. I expect ASIII to slide down to $3,000 within several months, with the subsequent $500 price gap from A7IV.

These are my thoughts, not a prediction with an expected 100% accuracy. We'll see how it shakes down when the actual models come out. I expect less than most. Sony and Canon rarely disappoint.
 
DLD said:
It's really business as usual.
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Not really, business as usual for Panasonic is to drop a camera, wait a half decade with radio silence, and then launch something totally different.

This is Panasonic finally engaging with other companies' business as usual, and its great news. In early 2019 we got an S1, late 2019 an S1H, a year late an S5 update, regular firmware updates to all that improved the S1 substantially, and now an S1H II looks to be around the corner within ~12 months. Nice.
 
filmguy123 said:
... This is Panasonic finally engaging with other companies' business as usual, and its great news. In early 2019 we got an S1, late 2019 an S1H, a year late an S5 update, regular firmware updates to all that improved the S1 substantially, and now an S1H II looks to be around the corner within ~12 months. Nice.
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Eh, I think you're being too hard on them.

In any case, A7IV rumors are popping up. A possible September release. No specs at all but I bet it's the same sensor as S1H II.
 
If so, the A7IV (if they let the video modes be 10bit) will be an impressive camera. Now that the GH6 sort of has a timeline, I am waiting to see how much or little the A7IV will be a video camera compared to the A7sIII. And so it rolls on...
 
Probably very little (by the modern standards). It'll be the same sensor across Sony, Panasonic, Nikon and Sigma models. The high end will be 8K, the lower end (S1 II, fpIII, Z6 III, A7IV) will end up with some form of line-skipping 4K or 6K. Or a crop. Or both.

But, presuming Sony matches S1H II with A7SIV, there will be at least two 8K cameras in the $4,000 range in addition to R5. Then a Nikon and a Sigma should follow.
 
I would only be concerned with quality 4k, 10bit 4:2:2 and nice color science. These are a given with Panasonic cameras and hopefully, now with Sony.
 
New Chinese rumor is that S5 will become the main Panasonic line rather than S1 (and, correspondingly, S1H, although I've found no direct S1H rumors). In that, S5 will keep the 24 MPX sensor but S5R will be pumped to 61 MPX (Sony's had that sensor in A7RIV for two years now).

Given that Sony just announced A7RIV A, which has no discerning improvements over RIV aside of a better LCD screen, it's quite likely A7RV is just around the corner. Those rumors have been floating around for a few months too.
 
BTW, it'd make sense for Panasonic to have the photo-centric bodies slimline as in the A7R series due to not having overheating problems.
 
It is a tough call these days. For photography, the S1 is a large camera and with the Panny lenses, it is heavy if you have all day shoots. Then again, overheating is much easier to manage and give great choices with a larger body. The trend is smaller and Sony is doing well. Canon's bodies have quietly shrunk outside of the 1-series.
 
Most professionals use battery grips if they aren't using the 1-like bodies, and if they aren't then the body differences are extremely moot millimeters, IMO.

I think it's really the lenses that make the biggest difference.
 
S5 weighs 630 grams (body only)/ 714 with battery and memory. S1 weighs 1,021 (w/ battery and memory), S1H 1,164 (w/battery and memory). So that's a pound worth of weight saving. Enough for a non ART prime.
 
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