GH5 S1H: Get a Weeklong S1H Rental for $99

Unless I missed it, it looks like $99 just to rent the camera for a week. I might take advantage of it if a simple lens was included. However, I have no compatible lenses.

Or am I missing something?
 
Cary Knoop said:
But what can you expect, use a mount for which MFT lenses are impossible to be used and for which the L lenses are impossible to be used on MFT.
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I own a dozen MFT lenses and would never want to use them on a Panasonic S camera because most of them wouldn't properly cover the APS-C format, let alone the FF format.

And L mount lenses are already huge on the big S cameras. They would be humongous when mounted on MFT cameras. I can't see why anyone would want to do this ?
 
BobKo said:
Unless I missed it, it looks like $99 just to rent the camera for a week. I might take advantage of it if a simple lens was included. However, I have no compatible lenses.
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What lenses do you own ? Sony E mount ? Nikon Z lenses ? Canon R mount lenses ?

I own eight old Nikon AI-S FF lenses and bought a $20 L-mount adapter that works perfectly on Panasonic S cameras.

It seems that pretty much any lenses that cover FF and are not designed for mirrorless cameras can be used with the right adapter. ( you might have to deal with manual everything, but I'm ok with that )
 
Cary Knoop said:
Looks like Panasonic is getting desparate...
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Are you disparaging their desperation?

PS. It's a nice camera but overpriced without any form of Raw. The company has been working with Atomos for a similar type of arrangement as Nikon with its Z6 and Z7. It's supposed to come out in early 2020 but no date has been offered or set. The Panny/Atomos announcement was last September. It took almost a year between the announcement and the actual release for Nikon/Atomos.

PPS. It ought to be noted that the Z6Ninja5 combo runs about $2,700, while S1H alone is $4,000.
 
DLD said:
Are you disparaging their desperation?
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Frankly, I feel they left their MFT customer base in the cold by introducing a new line that has no transition capability whatsoever with their MFT customer base.

If they would have introduced a larger frame mount while still enabling, with an adapter, full video using MFT it would have given customers the ability to gradually transition to a larger frame and larger lenses.
 
Whatever they did, the camera is, obviously, not selling well and there is a number of steps Panasonic can take to address the situation. Mo' bettah lenses, AI aided auto focus, internal/external Raw, pricing discounts ought to be all in play.

IMO, they overshot their target market, creating very little product differentiation and remaining stubborn - although that can be part of the contractual agreement with Sony - on pricing. To me, this one week rental is a pretty feeble attempt to market the model. Potential customers know what it is but they're not swayed.

As to MFT, it's great for BiF.
 
Clicked on NFS. Second story from the top -"Amazing Helicopter Footage Tells the Story of Los Angeles".

Sometimes, timing sucks.
 
Buncha armchair business experts here. Y’all know everything.

This camera is selling crazy well. This program was developed before the camera was even released. It’s not even my product line but I know well more than you. And you are wrong.

As for the continued complaint that Panasonic is developing cameras with sensors that are larger than MFT and these cameras are not compatible with our MFT lenses, that’s right. Because to make these cameras compatible would have meant to severely restricted their capabilities. I’m not going to explain it again in excruciating detail but whether it was one of our Super-35 cameras or our Full Frame cameras, making a way to make the MFT mount lenses work even in a special frame mode would have meant dire physical conditions that would fundamentally change some of the design goals and functions of these cameras.

You can have a luxury SUV and you can have a sleek sports car. If you try to make the SUV do well on a racetrack or you try to make a sports car that can carry four kids and a huge load of groceries home from the market, well in either case those vehicle designs would be failures that few would want.
 
DLD said:
It's a nice camera but overpriced without any form of Raw.
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So what's a cheaper FF camera that shoots internal 5.9K, internal 4K 10-bit 4:2:2 without any time limit, incorporates world-class IBIS for smooth handheld shots, is usable for low-light work in the ISO 5000 - 20000 range, and is weatherproof ?

DLD said:
The company has been working with Atomos for a similar type of arrangement as Nikon with its Z6 and Z7. It's supposed to come out in early 2020 but no date has been offered or set. The Panny/Atomos announcement was last September. It took almost a year between the announcement and the actual release for Nikon/Atomos.
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Given that the Nikon Z6 requires a hardware upgrade to record RAW, I strongly suspect that Nikon spent a year trying to figure out a way to record RAW without the hardware upgrade, but after a year of trying they threw in the towel.

Much like the saying that ID software would use when people would ask when the next version of Quake or Doom was coming out, "Panasonic S1H Raw will be done when it's done", in other words they are not going to hold to an artificial deadline and end up shipping a sub-par product. I'm sure when Panasonic is happy with S1H RAW performance it will ship, and it might be timed to happen at NAB 2020 so that Panasonic will have some news to crow about. ( along with the FF EVA2 that doesn't exist... :evil: )
 
DLD said:
Whatever they did, the camera is, obviously, not selling well and there is a number of steps Panasonic can take to address the situation. Mo' bettah lenses, AI aided auto focus, internal/external Raw, pricing discounts ought to be all in play.

IMO, they overshot their target market, creating very little product differentiation and remaining stubborn - although that can be part of the contractual agreement with Sony - on pricing. To me, this one week rental is a pretty feeble attempt to market the model. Potential customers know what it is but they're not swayed.

As to MFT, it's great for BiF.
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I would give Panasonic a break. Outside of it is selling figures, this is such a great offering for $4,000. It is a cruel market, and DLD is constantly trying to point this out, but how do you know if it is profitable/sustainable for Panasonic? The camera is connected to two other models which are part of a multi-year push into FF camera production. They are thinking long game and the next model will probably have internal RAW. If this camera had come out in the not so distant past people would have gone crazy!

About the MFT line, I think the FF and MFT are on different time tables. So while the MFT folks are feeling left out, who is to say that the next round of cameras won't be awesome? The windowed frame with adapter might have been a nice gesture but I do not think many MFT shooters would have taken to it. Just my opinion.
 
Bassman2003 said:
About the MFT line, I think the FF and MFT are on different time tables. So while the MFT folks are feeling left out, who is to say that the next round of cameras won't be awesome? The windowed frame with adapter might have been a nice gesture but I do not think many MFT shooters would have taken to it. Just my opinion.
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+1

Although I don't personally feel left out. My GH5 is a camera that was ahead of its time and can serve for many more years to come.

But a GH6 would sorely tempt me......:2vrolijk_08:
 
I think they have no choice (short of abandoning hand-helds altogether) to introduce a GH6, but chances are that in their infinite wisdom they cripple the GH6 in the belief that customers who invested in MFT will just go out and burn their MFT lenses and buy everything new for the S1x line.

I believe this S1x line is going to flop. For photography, those cameras simply can't begin to compete with Nikon and Canon and for hand-held video those lenses are just too large (and too expensive) to be practical. Plus now you carry a full frame lens while most video modes only record crop-sensor. What a waste!
 
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