Rumor: Canon 4k super35 camera

You're thinking of the DVX100B in 2004. The original DVX100 came out in October 2002. The XL2 was two full years later, and a full 7 years after the XL1 was introduced.
Timeline:
Oct 2002: DVX100
March 2003: JVC HD1
June 2004: Canon XL2
Sept 2004: Sony FX1
Feb 2005: Sony Z1

Canon got their first 24p camcorder out seven years after Panasonic did it. JVC had consumer HD a full 15 months before Canon introduced a progressive-scan DV tape camcorder.

Now, to be fair to Canon, they weren't extraordinarily late in getting to HDV. The XLH1 came out in September 2005, only a year after the FX1, but still two and a half years after the JVC HD1. That's the fastest they've ever responded to keeping up with what the other manufacturers were doing. As said before, it took 'em five years to respond to the HVX200...

And Jim, I'm not buying beer, my $20 goes to dvxuser's official charity, isara, and if I win any bets I'm asking that the winnings be sent to isara...
 
And HDV wasn't introduced in 2003. JVC introduced their HD1 in 2003, but it wasn't called HDV, it was just consumer high-def. The label HDV didn't exist until Sony introduced the FX1 in Sept. 2004. When that came out, they issued a press release about the new "HDV format", and they grandfathered JVC's implementation into it. But the first JVC to carry the "HDV" badge was the HD100, which was introduced April 2005.
 
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f64manray said:
Actually, it was the FF sensor on the 1DsIII that was bumped down for use on the now legendary 5DII, not the other way around.
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Sorry, my bad. You are right. On the 1D & 1Ds topic, I think it would be a large shift for this to happen as the sports shooters like having the 1.3x crop for the longer lenses. But it is also worth pointing out that 1D series cameras are priced $4,500 to $8,000 which is beyond the "indie" pricing model anyway. The fact that the 5DMKII was under $3,000 is what made it such a hit.
 
When JVC introduced the GR-HD1 in 2003 the HDV Consortium of JVC, Sony , Canon and Sharp did not exist so there was no way it could be called HDV even though JVC pioneered the concept of recording high definition images on mini-dv tape. Although JVC's camera was a marketing flop nevertheless its competitors rushed to introduce their own low cost high definition cameras.

History may repeat itself if JVC introduces the worlds first consumer 4K camera. Although it will probably be a marketing disaster it will nevertheless steal the thunder of the existing consumer 1080p cameras.
 
Needing to shoot to 4 separate SD cards at the same time is already a pre-fail. At least Panny initially stuck those 4 cards into one cartridge and called it P2! :D
 
Shooting high definition video on Mini-DV tape was also a hassle. Sony , JVC and Cannon all had uncompatible HDV formats so you couldn't share your videos without first burning a Data DVD. Likewise shooting with 4 seperate SD cards will be a hassle but I suppose JVC will offer a photo like album to organize the cards. P2 media is great but may be too expensive for a consumer 4K camera. Early adopters of 4K consumer video cameras will have to put up with the hassle until more practical solutions are implemented.
 
In case anyone can't wait a few more hours, what is claimed to be the Canon press release for the 1D X has been put up on Canon Rumors. It isn't definite as it is still only a rumor, but it looks pretty genuine to me. Aside from the 18mp FF sensor etc, which was already trailed, it claims "the Canon EOS-1D X’s upgraded imaging system and Dual DIGIC 5+ deliver greatly enhanced movie quality. In particular, the camera minimizes the occurrence of color artifacts and moiré, and enables the shooting of low-noise video even in dark conditions". By all means treat it with caution, but it does look genuine. It'll be confirmed soon anyway.
http://www.canonrumors.com/2011/10/canon-eos-1d-x-possible-press-release/

Edit: It looks like a cert as it is mentioned on Canon's own website where it refers to the new 1D X top of the range camera which will be avaliable in March 2012.
http://www.canon.com/news/2011/oct18e.html
 
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The EOS-1D X press release looks true. There's a Japanese article out with a PDF spec sheet. Movie mode on this model is still MPEG-4/H.264, 1920x1080 30p/25p/24p, 1280x720 60p/50p. Nothing really earth shattering considering it has dual Digic 5.

A lot of impressive still photos features, but we'll have to wait until Nov 3 for the real video camera(s), hopefully.
 
The key here is low light and no more artifacts. This is a FF 1080p monster. A true revolution for Guerrilla shooters. Yes, it doesn't have the video camera form factor, but the size, weight is ideal for guerrilla support gear, and the low light will allow less usage of artificial lighting in night or dim shots. I can see many broadcast tv shows using this, for example, or indie films. The codec will not be much of a problem provided it stays moire free and aliasing free.
 
It seems to be much much more than is said here. They have an intra codec that if calculation are true is in the 355 mbits. It says that it will fill a 16 gig card in 6 min. So we could have a real monster here. A very good low light, alias moire free (or greatly reduced), true 1080p high bitrate camera. They just need to get some cinestyle camera profile, and hopefully 10 bit codec for it to be much better than the Af-100 and FS-100 in terms of image quality and a serious contender against the Sony F3 for about half the price (again taking into account just the image quality). It will also appeal more to the vista vision crowd of shooters. Now the lack of 60fps 1080p is a bit disappointing, perhaps they want to leave some space for their November 3 cameras or running a full frame camera at this speed would have caused overheating problems.

I think that this camera is another milestone because it is the first time that we are having a dslr with no consumer level codec. It will force all those companies like Panasonic and Sony to threat there customer with a little more respect with better than 24 mbit avchd in $ 5000 camera bodies. The price of $ 7000 is much to high for me, but I think most of this technology will be transferred to the lower end models.
 
It's worth noting the power of Digic V too.... they may not be showing it's true video power, but that will come (maybe Nov 3rd)...

12FPS raw, 18mpx, 14 bit.... that's alot of info flying through the system to UDMA7 cards (167MBps). If the Nov 3rd camera is designed with such power, or more... it will be capable of some impressive results.
 
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I think that this camera is another milestone because it is the first time that we are having a dslr with no consumer level codec. It will force all those companies like Panasonic and Sony to threat there customer with a little more respect with better than 24 mbit avchd in $ 5000 camera bodies. The price of $ 7000 is much to high for me, but I think most of this technology will be transferred to the lower end models.
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No H.264?

Edit: Never mind, got my answer: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...ideo-concern&p=2451999&viewfull=1#post2451999
 
I don't know if this was discussed... but DO NOT expect a 5DmIII unless it is a separate announcement or a total redesign. It seems cannon is getting serious about cinema cameras, and well....

From Jon Fauer's FandDT:

Canon has been teasing us recently with intimations of a major product announcement in Hollywood. The rumor-phone has been ringing and OMG how the tweeterati are txting. Now hear this:
Canon U.S.A., Inc. just announced the opening of the Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center in the Sunset Gower Studio lot at 6060 Sunset Boulevard in LA. Canon sources say, “the office will serve our film and television production clients and will provide a local site for support, research, service and training in Hollywood’s thriving entertainment industry.”
It doesn’t take a Wall Street analyst to figure out that this looks like a major push by Canon into major motion pictures.
“We want to offer a one-stop shop where our clients can come to ask questions and explore our various products with the help of our highly qualified technical and engineering staff members,” said Yuichi Ishizuka, EVP and general manager, Canon Imaging Technologies and Communications Group.
On-site repair service will include two state-of-the-art camera body and lens adjustment rooms using Canon’s advanced calibration equipment, local spare parts inventory, and an experienced repair staff that will provide fast turnaround.
Canon’s new Hollywood facility will also house a research and development center to “assess market demands and expectations for new professional imaging technology and look to build them into future product generations. This represents only one of many initiatives and investments that Canon has planned to solidify its commitment to the film and television production community.”
Canon says the facility will provide space to meet with studio execs, production houses, television networks, rental facilities, and production crews to build relationships and assess needs. The facility will also offer hands-on education to current and potential clients on Canon’s professional products. The Canon Hollywood Professional Technology and Support Center will host Canon Live Learning (CLL) workshops – fee-based seminars for professionals and enthusiasts and other industry-related events.
Canon’s new Hollywood center will be part of Canon’s nationwide customer service and support network that includes Factory Service Centers in Irvine (Calif.), Jamesburg (N.J.) and Newport News (Va.) as well as five broadcast lens service centers located strategically in the United States and a 100% US-based support call center.
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Sounds like more than another DSLR... right?
 
1) Hey, alright - a relatively high bitrate codec! That could mean some really good things.

2) Oh, bummer. A new (as of yet, unsupported in post) codec to deal with...

3) Oh, bummer. CF slots limited to 16 or 32GB cards to provide necessary speeds, giving only 6 or 12 minutes before filling the card.

So here's what I'm hoping for...

1) The camera makes absolutely stunning images. They get their downscaling and compression done properly. With that much bandwidth, they should be able to do a whole lot (REDCODE bitrate for 2K isn't much higher, for instance).

2) Adobe gets on the wagon - fast. I'd love to see the codec in place, fully supported, on major NLEs before launch day.

3) Someone comes up with a CF-to-SSD adapter, complete with relatively cheap drive sleds that includes sturdy I/O.
 
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