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Rob Lohman
Red Team
Do you mean will all your applications run under Vista? Probably not. It's new and a lot of drivers / applications have not been tested yet. My advice is to wait.
Anders Holck
Well-known member
I think he means: Does the intel mac run all the apps a "real" Win Pc does?
Which should be yes.
Which should be yes.
Rob Lohman
Red Team
Yes, that is correct. I've not had problems with applications running under Windows on the Intel Macs yet as long as they run under that Windows version.
Emanuel
Cross-Examiner
Yes, :dankk2: Anders (you took the point) and Rob too!
As I said, I'm working with a lot of useful apps into the PC realm (Windows XP by now, Vista probably tomorrow). And 'cause I will buy a new laptop I would like to know if the Intel Mac runs all the apps a Windows PC does. Then if so, I shall consider the MacBook Pro purchase.
If with an Intel Mac I'll have both "worlds" why buy less, I mean a PC? What do you guys think?
As I said, I'm working with a lot of useful apps into the PC realm (Windows XP by now, Vista probably tomorrow). And 'cause I will buy a new laptop I would like to know if the Intel Mac runs all the apps a Windows PC does. Then if so, I shall consider the MacBook Pro purchase.
If with an Intel Mac I'll have both "worlds" why buy less, I mean a PC? What do you guys think?
stokestack
Active member
Application compatibility shouldn't be a problem. It's an Intel chip running Windows; end of story.
The big issue is the lack of a common disk format. FAT32 is read and written by both Mac OS and Windows, but it can't handle files bigger than 2 GB, making it largely unacceptable for our purposes.
However, there are utilities available that allow Windows to read the Mac's HFS disk format (MacDrive for one). In my book, this is essential. I formatted my external media drives with HFS. This way, I can use FCP, DVD Studio Pro, Sound Forge, and Vegas on the same material without a ridiculous amount of copying and version management.
Do yourself a favor, though, and buy a regular Logitech mouse. And maybe someone will come out with a stand-alone Delete key, because the Mac portables don't have one.
The big issue is the lack of a common disk format. FAT32 is read and written by both Mac OS and Windows, but it can't handle files bigger than 2 GB, making it largely unacceptable for our purposes.
However, there are utilities available that allow Windows to read the Mac's HFS disk format (MacDrive for one). In my book, this is essential. I formatted my external media drives with HFS. This way, I can use FCP, DVD Studio Pro, Sound Forge, and Vegas on the same material without a ridiculous amount of copying and version management.
Do yourself a favor, though, and buy a regular Logitech mouse. And maybe someone will come out with a stand-alone Delete key, because the Mac portables don't have one.
stokestack said:
Theoretically true... but in practice, not so much. Try this...
1) Load WinXP 64-bit.
2) Play a Quicktime.
Bzzzzt.
Quicktime doesn't yet exist for XP64...
I'm halfway through Kurzweil's "The Singularity is Near." It's changing my worldview of computers and machinery in general... brings me to the realization that I'm OS agnostic. Not because I have a preference, but rather because they are ALL primitive and annoying.
Lucas Wilson
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Homersapien
Well-known member
Someone needs to invent a pc that you can strap a Mac Mini to yet use the processing power, memory and storage of the PC whilst using the OS from the Mac Mini. It would mean it was modular in the sense of having the upgradability of a PC and could switch fairly simply between the two OS's/Applications, it'd be cheap all round... I very much doubt it's possible... but would be cool if something like this could be done that doesn't infringe on Apple's user agreement (Unless this does lol).
The reason I prefer the PC to the Apple is that it shares the same modular idea as Red, every so often i just buy a part from a miriad of places and stick it in and it works, with an apple I have to purchase specialized parts most of the time that cost more.
The reason I prefer the PC to the Apple is that it shares the same modular idea as Red, every so often i just buy a part from a miriad of places and stick it in and it works, with an apple I have to purchase specialized parts most of the time that cost more.
Emanuel
Cross-Examiner
I fully agree. However, I'm thinking to try a MacBook Pro in order to get more NLE choices and maybe a PC as workstaion for 4K online editing and color correcting. Altough I'm not sure if this is possible or not:
FCP offline editing (Mac laptop) ---transferring-the-data---> PPro 4K online editing and color correcting (PC workstation)
Any thoughts?
FCP offline editing (Mac laptop) ---transferring-the-data---> PPro 4K online editing and color correcting (PC workstation)
Any thoughts?
Homersapien
Well-known member
Emanuel said:
I can't see the point in color correcting on such a small screen really. I'd just sacrafice using a color correction App on the PC over Shake on the Mac to be honest. Unless you are going to output from the laptop to a large monitor and in that case I'd just buy the 24" Imac over the Laptop, crank it up to 3gb memory (I believe this is the max) and stick a 750gb HDD in there. Would be about the same price as a decent 17" macbook with worse specs.
Rob Lohman
Red Team
If the main goal is to run Windows I would get a "regular" PC or laptop. That's garantueed to be supported whereas on the Mac platform bootcamp is still beta and there is no garantuee they are going to support Vista or any other Windows version (I could not get Windows 2000 to run for example).
Homersapien
Well-known member
Bootcamp is the wrong way round anyway... Most people don't want to run Windows and windows App's on a Mac, they want to run Apple App's on a PC. It's the whole issue of having the OS options with the modularity, cost and ease of upgrading the hardware on a PC.
I agree with you though Rob, if you want Windows use PC hardware.
I agree with you though Rob, if you want Windows use PC hardware.
Rob Lohman
Red Team
I like it a lot for testing and software development (which includes a lot of testing). However, if you do serious work I would buy a PC with Windows or an Apple with Mac OS X, not use an Apple with Windows. The main reason for that is support and platform compatibility.
Emanuel
Cross-Examiner
Thanks guys for your concern, help and opinion!
FCP but offline editing @Mac laptop ---transferring-the-data---> PPro 4K online editing and color correcting @PC workstation.
The idea is I can't handle with two laptops behind my back and with such setup I could have the best of the two worlds (Mac and PC). My only worry would also be the Vista (even if it has been said the Core 2 Duo @PC will take the task -- so if the MacBook Pro has that processor shouldn't it work?)
I'm afraid you didn't follow my bet:Homersapien said:
FCP but offline editing @Mac laptop ---transferring-the-data---> PPro 4K online editing and color correcting @PC workstation.
The idea is I can't handle with two laptops behind my back and with such setup I could have the best of the two worlds (Mac and PC). My only worry would also be the Vista (even if it has been said the Core 2 Duo @PC will take the task -- so if the MacBook Pro has that processor shouldn't it work?)
Homersapien
Well-known member
Yeah it could do Emanuel, but personally I think using a laptop for editing on would be best for current tv work 720p or less when you're in the field and don't have the opportunity to get to a desktop, because it just feels a bit fiddly to me if I'm honest. A desktop by definition will be in a suitable place, with suitable light, will usually be faster have better resolution and have a larger screen. If you are editing for a motion picture you are producing then I wouldn't want to use anything less than a desktop ever personally. To coin a phrase used all the time on CML "It's Horses for Courses". A laptop is a solution for one way of working, a desktop is a solution for other ways. If it suits how you want to work then Hardware wise that would be fine I'm sure, I'd hold off till when the camera arrives to buy any computer though because specs will be better no doubt.