Red lenses

evinsky

evinsky

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Alot of attention here has been placed on using PL mount cinema lenses as well as still photography lenses but I'd like to see what is desired in the maketplace for Red's own line of glass. I know what I'd like to see...

Remember, a normal lens on red is 28mm
Affordable primes in focal lengths that span a useable range from super-wide to medium telephoto. We already know about the 300 2.8.
I'd Like 12,17,22,28,35,50,65,85,135mm.
These should all be T2 to keep them affordable but maybe add a few faster primes like 18,24,30,40 and 75 T1.3
If they really wanted to make us drool Red could make just one normal T1 prime for ultra low light work:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Two zooms would be nice, T3 if possible.
Something for general shooting that would have a good range.
I heard some rumors about an 18-100, don't know if it's true but it would be perfect for this. A long zoom is also needed 28-250 or so.

What do you guys think?
Any suggestions?
 
We have our hands full with this project. Given some time to catch up (couple of years) I think we can satisfy most of what is needed. It is just too much to ask to get this camera right and a full line of lenses in such a short time frame. Long term, that's our plan.

Jim
 
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I would like a good all purpose zoom in the T2.8 or 3 range - something like a 18-100 would serve me very well. Of course I would prefer the sharpness of primes, but at these resolutions I would gladly welcome a good zoom just for the sake of cost. I am already looking at some super 16mm lenses....but I would kill for Cooke optics.....very little breathing and a consistent stop all the way through the lens.

A great set of primes would kick, but like Jim said there is no way those could be ready in time. I imagine the experience the Red team has with optics will serve them very well. I guess we will jsut have to be patient.
 
Jannard said:
We have our hands full with this project. Given some time to catch up (couple of years) I think we can satisfy most of what is needed.
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It's cool Jim. But it does make one wonder something, or at least me.
Can you give us a timeline for your top 10 items that you are working on when when you would LIKE to see them ready? This would be helpful for those of us who have decided not to move to HD until RED.

Here's an example:

RED with Cage one - 1st or 2nd quarter 2007
RED EVF - Same time
RED 300mm lens 1st or 2nd quarter 2007
RED 17 - 100mm lens 1st or 2nd Quater 2007
RED Film Mag 2nd or 3rd quarter 2007

Ok there were some suggestions hidden in here, but you ge the basic idea. I won't hold you to anything you write, but still it would let me know what I may have to buy 3rd party until you get yours made

Jay #327
 
Jim, I think we all understand it's going to take time. Never the less we are all very excited about the prospect of affordable cinema glass.
 
Jim could also make the lenses more profitable by making them in other mounts, like Nikon, Canon EOS and Panavision. Wouldn't you love to have a RED 28mm T2 on your D200 or 30D?
 
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Canon HD lens

I like Canon glass, especially ones with image stabilizers. It would be cool if RED ONE was designed so that it could take advantage of the stabilizers in a Canon lens. I don't know if Canon would allow that. They probably have patents. But Panasonic point and shoot consumer digital cameras come with optical image stabilizes, so it can't be to hard to make RED with IS. Optical Image Stabilization is important to me. It would be cool if RED had a list of second party lenses that worked well with the RED ONE. The only reason I would buy a Canon lens over a Cooke lens for the IS and that Astroscope (night vision) comes in a Canon lens mount.

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The Canon lenses require many proprietary technologies insode the body to use the IS. Nikon has VR which is the same and this also requires alot of communitaction between the body and lens.
 
optical stabilization is not as an advantage anymore as it used to be.. it can be dont digitally without degregation using the overscan of the sensor.
 
It would be nice to know in advance what lenses will be coming from Red.

But spare a thought for the company..........Its competitors are watching!

We have placed our faith in Red and if you have been reading carefully you will already have some possible clues what lens might be following the first prime. :)

Red wants to be highly successful with a superb camera in Red one. It must (i think) sell in thousands not in hundreds to achieve that. Its camera has been priced much lower than the majority on this forum and in other forums, thought it would come out at. Its lenses might do the same. Red (i think) will want to sell these lenses in their thousands as well.

If the camera comes out as good as we all expect, the prime lens likewise then i for one will be buying Red lenses for sure. :)
 
Well the next lense probally will be a zoom.. but who knows. And i dont think they will have a problem selling THOUSANDS of RED glass to keep the price down... remember, being PL mount, RED lenses will start to slip onto 235s, 435s, etc... so there is a cross market there... that is of course till everyone sells thier film cameras and buys the RED ONE heh heh heh.
 
yeah yeah but heavy.. HEAVY lenses..

sometimes you amuse me.. not you jarred specifically.. but these people here when they're talking about as 90% of the people here have an hollywood setup behind..

i guess that 90% of the dvxusers here have a 1/3" cam setup supporting their efforts and not a 35mm film camera..
 
i think i kinda get your point but i dont really understand what your trying to say..

If your saying most people here have little cameras, yes your right. But most people here have if not owned, at least looked at or used a film camera at some time. At least a majority of people looking at buying a RED. Its going to be bigger than a prosumer camera yes.. in fact the lens alone probally will be.
 
35mm still photography mount option will rule that's for sure and unfortunately i don't read you posting right there as far as necessary.. this must be a RED dogma and not mainly the PL mount offer..

secondly, it will be good more efforts and info about the $5k RED UHD lenses offer as soon as the RED availability.. and unfortunately again i didn't read any post about that from the jannard's keyboard..
 
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i think i kinda get your point but i dont really understand what your trying to say..

If your saying most people here have little cameras, yes your right. But most people here have if not owned, at least looked at or used a film camera at some time. At least a majority of people looking at buying a RED. Its going to be bigger than a prosumer camera yes.. in fact the lens alone probally will be.
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we need lightweight and affordable gear..

we want a RED revolution as far as it's easy dealing with a 1/3" cam.. that's the RED expectation.. i guess 90% of people here doesn't want an Arri 535/435/235 replacement what the D20 is, but an interlaced 1/3" or 2/3" killer.
 
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optical stabilization is not as an advantage anymore as it used to be.. it can be dont digitally without degregation using the overscan of the sensor.
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This seems like the most logical solution with the technology available. Why bother with mechanics when chips can do the job ?
Less weight and fragility.

We'll just have to see if it can be done (in such a short period) with this amount of data.
 
The challenges of building an economical zoom to cover the S35 format are significant. There is no magic way to change the laws of physics in the design of optics. Take a look at Chris Hurd's photo of the ARRI Zeiss 16.5-110 T2.6 zoom (a very nice range).

http://www.dvinfo.net/gallery/showimage.php?i=630&c=42

It's quite huge, but reportedly delivers exceptional images, just as one would expect. It's a rental-only product at this time. If it were to be available for sale, it would probably sell for $60-$75k. Even the Zeiss Lightweight Zoom (15.5-45 T2.6) is about $45k.

I'm curious to know what prospective RED owners consider to be a "reasonable" price for a RED-branded zoom lens and what compromises, if any, to image quality, speed, zoom range, and/or mechanical design are acceptable?
 
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After looking at the link and seeing the size of the lens, the size of the camera with mag, all the ports for different cables, etc., I laugh when I recall statements from major cinematographers who complain that digital cameras are too big, too heavy and need to be tethered. Cracks me up.

Look at the size of that friggin' thing!
 
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