Park Edwards
Veteran
nice. once i get a sandisk extreme i'll be hacking away. seems like the 88mbps is good with no trade-offs
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Lately, some guys mentioned that the sky-banding issue of the gh2 is almost gone with the hack. That would be really great. But frankly, I was pretty sceptical if this could really work. So, I gave it a go and put it through its paces this morning. And I have to admit, surprise-surprise, the banding is still there but really less (even much less at the originals), but at the expense of much more noise - and to be honest, that cluster of noise isn´t my thing. But what is the reason for that less amount of sky-banding? Is it the much increased noise, maybe the slight foggy weather or simply the higher bitrate? No doubt, I will repeat this test in the near future.....
FWIW, I can scarcely believe that the the whole banding saga is still on-going.
First the GH1, then the early GH2's now (according to various reports) some of the later GH2's are exhibiting the same problem.
Surely, it's time to say, 'Enough, already!'
Panasonic may fix it in the GH3, or they may not - but the simple fact is that, in 2011, we shouldn't have to deal with it.
The Nex5n & Nex 7 video tests have yet to come - but, if they offer 'bandless' video, and the same degree of control as the 'G' series, is there *really* any reason to stay with Panasonic any longer?
If I could bring myself to cope without an EVF I think I'd already have ordered a 5n - as it is, I'm pretty sure that I'll swallow hard, dig deep, and buy a Nex 7 - and Panasonic and their imperfect M4/3 sensor can then do what the £"$$%&* they like.
I agree - I find the color banding to be nearly a "deal breaker".
But I wonder - it is a Panasonic issue or an AVCHD issue?
Does Hack + MJPEG also exhibit the same degree of banding?
BUT: One does have to be very careful in judgement because VIMEO and YouTube encoding seems to make banding worse in almost every instance. And when VIMEO down-converts to small-file MP4 it's trash.
Thanks for taking the time to do these tests, but unfortunately, they really cannot be evaluated properly without access to the original MTS files. By its nature, color gradient banding is extremely sensitive to subtle details of color depth in AVCHD macroblock encoding. Any type of transcoding or recompression of the original files will inevitably obscure the evidence that I'd want to examine. If you're unable to supply the original MTS files for download via Vimeo, then your conclusions cannot be confirmed.http://vimeo.com/28500691
Lately, some guys mentioned that the sky-banding issue of the gh2 is almost gone with the hack. That would be really great. But frankly, I was pretty sceptical if this could really work. So, I gave it a go and put it through its paces this morning. And I have to admit, surprise-surprise, the banding is still there but really less, but at the expense of much more noise...
For comparison purposes 2 examples with an unhacked GH2:
vimeo.com/22225257
vimeo.com/21771310
I think the consensus is that the noise is washed away with the native codec which makes the banding worse since the natural dithering of noise is blobbed together. The patch allows the codec to reproduce the origional noise which some like, some don't.
iso800 is much noisier than lower iSO's, maybe you could do a lower ISO test to see how the noise/gradient behavior is with and without the patch.
Does Hack + MJPEG also exhibit the same degree of banding?
all I know is that my Canon AVCHD camcorder never had banding issues.
unfortunately, they really cannot be evaluated properly without access to the original MTS files
I thought at it's essence that banding was an 8-bit issue and that all cameras in this class exhibit it?