Problems With Pulldown In After Effects.

heres the settings in AE

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here is a clip exported with progressive frames only. Gee, I wonder why it's still interlaced?

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Ok - let´s figure out where the problem is. Maybe I´m dense. The pulldown removal looks OK, but what about your export settings? Here a pic mov/photo-jpeg (sorry, only the german version):



Field Render: off?
 
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Till now, the only way that works with pulldown is NeoScene. It's quick and cheap. All other methods that I've tried repeat frames and/or leave interlacing in some frames.
 
Car3o said:
that's not de-interlacing. the only way to properly de-interlacing in AE is:

http://library.creativecow.net/articles/kramer_andrew/deinterlace.php
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Car3o said:
so far only method available.
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Unless you get RE:Visions FieldsKit to do really proper deinterlacing, the method you posted reduces vertical resolution by half.

http://www.revisionfx.com/products/fieldskit/

Which may help with the 1080/24p pulldown problem as well. And it's available for AE, Premiere, FCP, Combustion and Fusion.
 
Polanski said:
Till now, the only way that works with pulldown is NeoScene. All other methods that I've tried repeat frames and/or leave interlacing in some frames.
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I´ve done several "inverse telecine" workings with gh1-material until now. Everything is fine - no repeat frames not to mention interlacing frames. AE has the "remove pulldown" feature since a lot of years now (in various versions) and it works correct in the majority of cases. Make a google search run. Sometines, the pulldown-guess isn´t right. Than you can step through the several options manually. But the gh1-pulldown recognizes ae accurate. It´s a mystery to me, what´s wrong in your workflow. My crystal ball is really fuzzy at the moment...
 
Martti, do you mean that NeoScene reduces vertical resolution by half or is it about Car3o method?
 
capice, I made a test using all method of pulldown in AE, not leaving it to guess and all of them came out with the same problem. Did you check frame by frame? Maybe the German version doesn't have the problem, only the English one
 
Polanski said:
... Did you check frame by frame?
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Sure :-). But tell me:

- after importing the footage in the project panel, did you make the "remove pulldown" first? Don´t drag it down to the tl (new composition icon) before it has been done.
- pc or mac?
- where do you check your footage after exporting?
- do you use the "render queue" with the correct settings?
 
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capice, I did exactly this:

1-import footage
2-right click->interpret footage->main
3-guess pulldow (also tried manual with all options)
4-drag and drop into "create new composition" icon.
5-click in menu composition->add to render cue
6-render the comp as TIFF sec

I check every rendered tiff in photoshop and in any other tiff viewer.

I'm on PC

There's a problem with the English version...IT DOES NOT WORK...
 
Polanski said:
capice, I did exactly this:
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6-render the comp as TIFF sec

I check every rendered tiff in photoshop ...
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Odd things are going on here. Ok - I went the same way and guess what - I got the same result => around 20 interlaced frames. I took the 00004.mts-clip. Pretty much the same with avi-uncompressed. Than I took my QT/Photo-Jpeg and `wonder of wonders`everything is fine.

Afterwards I checked all that stuff in AE, frame by frame, and `surprise, surprise`everything worked a treat => no repeat frames, no interlaced frames. So, what´s the game here? I don´t know. Maybe PS has some problems with this kind of footage? I would assume, that normally it should be ok when the playback in nle´s, ae and players works without problems. But, who knows?
 
well, the trick to de-interlacing the clip is to actually make a new composition.
but it still has skipped or repeating frames using wwssww for 3:2 pulldown in AE. i'm not even going to waste any more time trying to figure out the proper pulldown. i'm going to just use cineform
 
You must do whatever makes you happy, that´s fine. - But once again, in my case there are no repeated and no skipped frames. I´d recommend to everyone who is interested in buying the gh1 => give it a try, compare it with the neoscene trial... and make your own decision. For me personally, it´s not so important cos i´m in a pal-land. I was just interested in doing it in order to understand the problems with this kind of stuff, apparently los americanos will have.
 
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capice are you working with pal or ntsc footage? and how are you testing whether not not there are any skipped or repeated frames?
 
Of course ntsc-material. I take the exported clip and scrub through it. In scenes with motion skipped or repeated frames would be pretty obvious. Don´t evaluate the original footage in the tl after pulldown removal was made ;-)
 
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