Panasonic's new version of HPX300

Reading this thread, I understand where a lot of other owners are coming from. I was an early adopter, so I missed each and every incentive that came in the past few months. Those who bought a 300 very recently are faced with owning the "obsolescing-out version".

No matter what you call it - an outright lie, convenient obfuscation or simply a "this-is-just-how-it-is-with-professional-level-technology-products" justification - we've all effectively been sold a beta-test unit with the HPX300. Did I make money with the 300? Not nearly as much as I did with either of our 100a/200 cameras. The 200 had what, a four year lifespan? As it is with all of our larger capex decisions, our HPX300 was purchased under financing (18 months) and now Panasonic says, "we can do better"?

To me, Panasonic hasn't invented a new camera with the 370 at all. They've come out with the 300a and nothing more. It's easy for someone who hasn't been burned to say we're all just feeling sorry for ourselves and that it's sour grapes - that's just how it is.

The key problem is that the 370 rapidly depreciates the value of the 300. It doesn't hurt the 170 owner or the 2700 owner. At all.

In the consumer auto market, you know that you can always make an informed decision between the last year of the Old Mustang, which is known and available, or New Mustang, which is also known through leaked details and an adequate preview period through third-party media and elsewhere.

Imagine if you went and purchased that 2010 model with every available option and then discovered, driving by the same lot virtually the very next day, that a new, Hybrid version with better all-around specifications was now on offer at nearly the same price. Suddenly, your ride is very likely worth far less and you have no recourse but to drive it as it is.

In the world where an HPX370 doesn't exist, I like the 300 for what strengths it had. AVCIntra100 and dual HDSDI outputs are favorite features for me. As better settings were published (like BBC's), most noise issues I'd seen with the 300 were cleared up to my satisfaction. Skew isn't a factor on seated interviews.

Anyway, I think Panasonic will have made a huge mistake if the skew issue isn't resolved or, at minimum, greatly diminished in the 370. No matter the specification, they've violated my trust in their brand - again - and that continues to drive me toward renting cameras instead of owning them.

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Any reason they didn't call it the 300A? I just appears to be the 300 with improved sensors (less skew, better low light capabilities).
 
It frustrates me that people are complaining about panasonic "screwing" 300 owners when most people just didn't make informed purchase decisions in the beginning. They just had to be the first people with the newest technology.

What stopped you from renting the camera and testing it? It doesn't make much sense to spend all that money without getting your hands on it...kind of like...hmm...a test drive? Also, the issues with this camera were discussed all over this site.

No matter how a company releases a new product someone who bought at the wrong time will feel screwed. It happens. You can't please everybody.
 
god i hope theres more than just the 370 at NAB... Not sure if i can afford that right now :P

First time i tested a 300 i was excited.
but when i tested the zoom skew...
i was kinda weary and kinda made me think twice about the 300.
If i had the money I wouldnt have bought it then.

Like jrmiller said,
if you KNOW it's weakness and fault but you still bought it... yits your responsibility
 
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It frustrates me that people are complaining about panasonic "screwing" 300 owners when most people just didn't make informed purchase decisions in the beginning. They just had to be the first people with the newest technology.

What stopped you from renting the camera and testing it? It doesn't make much sense to spend all that money without getting your hands on it...kind of like...hmm...a test drive? Also, the issues with this camera were discussed all over this site.

No matter how a company releases a new product someone who bought at the wrong time will feel screwed. It happens. You can't please everybody.

I don't feel screwed at all. The downward price pressure the 370 put
on the 300 allowed us to pick up another 300 with cards and rebate.

For us, the 300 does exactly what we need it to do and the rolling shutter
stuff has never been an issue .. ever shot film? :-)

We didn't cry when the 170 came out and put the downward hurt on the
200's. This is a normal and positive response by Panasonic to the competitive
world of HD video acquisition and keeps the whole product line vibrant
and healthy.

jeff
 
I don't feel screwed at all. The downward price pressure the 370 put
on the 300 allowed us to pick up another 300 with cards and rebate.

For us, the 300 does exactly what we need it to do and the rolling shutter
stuff has never been an issue .. ever shot film? :-)

We didn't cry when the 170 came out and put the downward hurt on the
200's. This is a normal and positive response by Panasonic to the competitive
world of HD video acquisition and keeps the whole product line vibrant
and healthy.

jeff

good point.
 
Yes I have. It is way better. I have an article coming, but basically it is on par with the EX3 in all modes now.

I knew you were testing the camera when you didn't chime in early on this thread! So when can we expect to see the article?

There are some rumors that Sony will announce a follow on to the EX3 at NAB, so it should be interesting this year.
 
Only got one for testing on Friday. Been really busy with other stuff in-between.

I tested the HPX370 against an EX3. If they change the EX3, well, I guess the validity of my test will be short-lived! =:O

Article should be up today sometime.
 
Having cut my teeth on film sets, I can say with certainty that lag and skew are two different animals.
 
Well, as I said a few pages back, I understand how technology marches on and early adopters are ALWAYS at some risk. Heck, I have an iPad 3G on order right now and I'd put money on Apple coming out with version 2 by next summer. It is what it is.

What IS too bad, however, is manufacturer's inability to offer early adopters an upgrade path. The 370 appears to use the identical body for the camera and probably many of the same internals as well. So - for $1,000 or so + shipping - why couldn't Panasonic allow 300 owners who felt the 370 offered more of what they need an opportunity to upgrade the "guts" of their cameras? I'm sure it could be done relatively easily as most electronics are modular anyway. I can't see a downside. 1) Panasonic could make more money on 300 owners (mark-up the price and make a profit on the 370 upgrade), 2) they'd keep their owners happy knowing they're still thinking about them and haven't rendered their cameras obsolete, and 3) they'd increase owner loyalty from those same customers and have a built-in testimonial base for the 370...
 
Not saying I've heard anything (I haven't).

But has Panasonic actually said that there won't be an upgrade option? Perhaps there will be?

- mikko
 
No, I haven't heard anything regarding an upgrade - just going by what manufacturers (not just Panasonic) typically do (no upgrade option). If there IS an upgrade option, I'll be VERY impressed and will probably take advantage of it - assuming the cost wasn't huge.
 
The HPX-300 has been out over a year, and I suspect like any pioneering new product, this is the kind of lifespan for the shelf life life of an initial product in a new line.

We shouldn't be surprised by it - after all, the days of models available for year and years is sadly long gone.

I like the attitude above - you buy the product, and you use it - getting your moneys worth (or not) depending on how much use it gets. It'll still be a decent piece of kit for years, just no longer 'current', as in 'latest', or 'state-of-the-art'. It doesn't really matter.
 
Upgrade really looks like impressive, but i agree with some people, this is just look like an upgrade 200 to 200a, nothing more, but there was not skewing issue with 200 so it makes 370 more valuable..People who will worry about skewing after this upgrade, should be super amateur..
 
Much improved to be sure. Panasonic could get a lot of mileage out of making an upgrade path available to 300 owners. I would certainly upgrade ours given the opportunity.
 
People who will worry about skewing after this upgrade, should be super amateur..

I would wait until you can test it properly before you cast dispersions on other people...

Many people argued there was not skew problem on the 300. If you look at the video regarding the 370, the skew happens on the first move of the camera, not just after wild shaking, "drunken filmaker" style. Way too easy to get a skew situation.

There should not be a penalty for those who might move the camera.
 
You are right Bassman its early to say anything, for me 300 does not have that scarey artifacts in terms of skewing or wobing, even with this version it became better camcorder. The right sentence should be "People who will worry about skewing after this upgrade, should be super drunk" :)
 
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