Panasonic's new version of HPX300

Funny that all the talk on the forums about this 370 is only on this site, I thought the 300 had been accepted by the asian and usa news people anyway as it was designed to their spec.

I think that this is a red herring and panasonic are about to do something major to counteract the new sony 350!

I certainly have not heard anything in the UK but when I asked for a price on an HPX2700 earlier this year I was told to wait and see what comes out to replace the 500!
 
I think you are right, it doesn't make sense to not upgrade the 500 and upgrade a camera that has only been out 12 months.
 
Dont think tht panny will invest in ccd tech anymore, so we might see a
2/3" full HD Cmos hpx570 avcintra cam and maybe a hpx300a.
 
I agree that you would expect them to upgrade the 500 because it's older, but maybe Panny's target market is TV stations, and those stations are only willing to pay, say, $10k for a camera and lens. Maybe somehow Panny was able to bring the noise floor down on the CMOS chips so that the 1/3 inch chips can shoot in the dark as well as the 2/3 inch chips. News crews prefer the deeper DOF of the 1/3 inch chips, anyway. And if you keep the price down, then you can sell more units to the indie market. A win-win situation.

Just my guess. We'll see soon enough.
 
I would be shocked if they came out with a camera model between the 300 and the 500. I would also be surprised if they came out with an updated model to the 300. I agree with a previous poster, I'm looking for an upgrade to the 500 series.
 
I think full raster HD, AVC I is important, and the 500 isn't either. If it was updated with those 2 important qualities it would sort of be a 2700/ 3000 wouldn't it?
 
I dont see how they are going to push CCD technology anymore. 2700 + 3700 are CCD, which is very different than the 570* CMOS.
 
Well I for one will be very annoyed if they update the 301 to the 370 as it totally devalues the two cameras I bought 11 months ago.

What I really want now is a 601 with 2/3" cmos & avcintra 100 at a price of around £15k inc lens so that it keeps the broadcast people happy and means I don't have to invest in a 2700 or 3700.

If all that happens is a 370 and my 301's lose their value then it look like I will have to re-think the P2 system and possibly switch to two sony 350's with nanoflash.
 
GaryNattrass said:
Well I for one will be very annoyed if they update the 301 to the 370 as it totally devalues the two cameras I bought 11 months ago.

What I really want now is a 601 with 2/3" cmos & avcintra 100 at a price of around £15k inc lens so that it keeps the broadcast people happy and means I don't have to invest in a 2700 or 3700.

If all that happens is a 370 and my 301's lose their value then it look like I will have to re-think the P2 system and possibly switch to two sony 350's with nanoflash.
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why on earth would you want a 2/3 cmos chip??? you know how much skew you would have? considering how bad a 1/3 chip is at the moment it would only be worse on a larger scale. CCD is the way to go, it the only reason the 500 still holds its value. It would be nice for a 600 to have avcintra but again these wish lists are always a long list of things people end up wanting that would cost way more than they could afford. but please no more cmos, Panasonic cant seem to do that right, so just dont. You are doing fine with CCD in the 2/3 market, stick with what you're good at.
 
Giuseppe Pugliese said:
why on earth would you want a 2/3 cmos chip??? you know how much skew you would have? considering how bad a 1/3 chip is at the moment it would only be worse on a larger scale. CCD is the way to go, it the only reason the 500 still holds its value. It would be nice for a 600 to have avcintra but again these wish lists are always a long list of things people end up wanting that would cost way more than they could afford. but please no more cmos, Panasonic cant seem to do that right, so just dont. You are doing fine with CCD in the 2/3 market, stick with what you're good at.
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Interesting. Canon 5D Mark II and 7D perform remarkably well with sensors bigger than 2/3"...
 
"very annoyed if they update the 301 to the 370 as it totally devalues the two cameras I bought 11 months ago."

Comapred to still photography, Canon is rolling through 4 generations of EOS-1DS models in about 7 years, each of them listing to 8000 dollars, about same as HPX 301. During those about 7 years, 1 only hold on the newest one for 2 months, before the next one was out. I purposely used the system, by buying the second bests as new, when price was falling.

This is how any industry runs, at the end of the day the camera bodys are just dead tools to start working on other aspects of set creation.
 
OK I want a 1920x1080 CCD camera with 2/3" chips AVC Intra 100 at less than £15k but I know that I aint going to get one so cmos is what we have to accept.

The value of kit was easily written off in the past but as broadcast in the UK is in decline and budgets are just not there for most programming I can not right off kit the way I used to.

The manufacturers need to realise this too as we can not invest £50k into cameras anymore for most production.

The same goes for post prod and the desktop solutions will become more prevalent than the high end bespoke hardware.
 
thinking of the big picture, that the camera itself is just a part of the total production setup, next time I might check out the panasonic financing options to leave the "compromiced" sector of economy cameras af whole. Whatever happens, there is not going to be a super camera at decent price point.

I see people getting to 1/3 system, then pulling another 10 grands to letus adapters and relay lenses, when they could have financed 2/3 camera with the same cost for 20 months or so, which is a long time in busyness.
 
If they are coming out with 370 then they should at least gave the 300 owners an option to upgrade the sensor or new board. But then again the 300 was the first gen panasonic cmos product, so you bleeding edge ppl knew wht you guys were getting into with anything first gen.
 
Or shoot out the window of a moving vehicle . Canon DSLrs have an incredible amount of rolling shutter artifacts. You won't see them in any Philip Bloom videos but then again you have to consider the contents. Closeups look great, shots with lots of organic content, trees, flowers landscapes look great, especially if the camera movement is pretty mellow. I wouldn't want to use a DSLR if I was going to be shooting something like Children of Men for instance.
 
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