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Lee Wilson said:
It looks like quite an old film, maybe shot on a HV20 without a lens adaptor, definitely pre-5DmkII, whatever they did it on they really f*cked up.


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very cool!

On an observational level. It's quite amazing when you see the image that has the simulated
SDOF. You immediately have a connection with the women, the individual and her situation.
However the original doesn't give you that same feeling. Instead, more of an observational point
of view in someones family room invisible from view. Hence the reason why EDOF was best for
epics with massive scope of a story to tell. SDOF lends it self to the personal story of the individual or two.

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Let's be realistic: how many of you would actually shoot a feature with a stock A1 or HPX170? Something that wasn't Blair Witch specific?

You can sing all day about how DOF doesn't matter, but I don't see too many people still tryin' to helm a project on a system sub 35mm Adapter.
 
we recently did one on a stock hvr-z1, it's now in festivals and making its way to theaters. it looks great.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375303/

if you guys think it takes so much to make a movie why don't you just shoot 35mm? the whole point of shooting video is that it's easy, otherwise you might actually save money by shooting 35mm and doing a traditional optical post.

/matt
 
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Kholi said:
Let's be realistic: how many of you would actually shoot a feature with a stock A1 or HPX170? Something that wasn't Blair Witch specific?
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We just completed a feature shot with the HVX200. We didn't really have the option budget wise to shoot with an adapter plus a lot of the scenes were shot at night and the loss of light could have become an issue with the adapters.

Our DP did a great job getting good looking shots with out an adapter. The screener has just gone out to several sales agents and distributers so I guess we'll see what response we get and whether DOF really was a factor for this film. When we were showing clips at AFM no one asked us what it was shot with ... they just seemed interested in the story.

http://www.theycamefromtheattic.com/afm
 
Kholi said:
Let's be realistic: how many of you would actually shoot a feature with a stock A1 or HPX170? Something that wasn't Blair Witch specific?

You can sing all day about how DOF doesn't matter, but I don't see too many people still tryin' to helm a project on a system sub 35mm Adapter.
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DOF does matter!

Both shallow AND deep! :beer:
 
mattsand said:
we recently did one on a stock hvr-z1, it's now in festivals and making its way to theaters. it looks great.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375303/

if you guys think it takes so much to make a movie why don't you just shoot 35mm? the whole point of shooting video is that it's easy, otherwise you might actually save money by shooting 35mm and doing a traditional optical post.

/matt
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Where's the footage?
 
Imaginate said:
We just completed a feature shot with the HVX200. We didn't really have the option budget wise to shoot with an adapter plus a lot of the scenes were shot at night and the loss of light could have become an issue with the adapters.

Our DP did a great job getting good looking shots with out an adapter. The screener has just gone out to several sales agents and distributers so I guess we'll see what response we get and whether DOF really was a factor for this film. When we were showing clips at AFM no one asked us what it was shot with ... they just seemed interested in the story.

http://www.theycamefromtheattic.com/afm
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I still can't see anything in the night clips.

And I do still see the attempt at a shallow depth of field. I.E moving the camera back and zooming in on those daylight exteriors. You pretty much prove my point by saying "didn't have an option", though. If we all had the option to employ selective focus then we would...

Which is why these VDSLR forums even exist.

Nobody will outright say "Man, where's the DOF?", but they may register an image that they are not accustom to as "video" or "amateur". Not to be too much of a debbie downer, though.
 
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Nobody will outright say "Man, where's the DOF?"
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in my opinion it's rarely about what the audience sees or not, but about what you can use. you see the world in a certain way and you try to take a picture of it. the audience aren't supposed to see your technique, but they will see your vision if you've done it right. it sounds pretentious i guess but it's the best way i can put it.

/matt
 
I can certainly agree with and respect that point. My personal view is probably heavily influenced by the dollar as well on this one. Just figure its easier to sell to the money people.
 
Disagree. You decide what action you want your audience to take away...what would convince them to take that action, and then shoot to cause that. It is never about you...always about the audience. Compared to a book,you are substituting your imagination for theirs.
 
Kholi said:
I still can't see anything in the night clips.

And I do still see the attempt at a shallow depth of field. I.E moving the camera back and zooming in on those daylight exteriors. You pretty much prove my point by saying "didn't have an option", though. If we all had the option to employ selective focus then we would...

Which is why these VDSLR forums even exist.

Nobody will outright say "Man, where's the DOF?", but they may register an image that they are not accustom to as "video" or "amateur". Not to be too much of a debbie downer, though.
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A+++++++ :thumbsup:
 
It is funny. I've seen some really bad stuff shot using the HVX 200 with an adapter and some great stuff shot without it. A shallow DOF doesn't make a story any better if the story is lousy to begin with, proven of course by Mr. Orson Wells many, many, many years ago. Most of the general public doesn't even know what DOF is, or don't even care when you tell them about it.
 
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