Panasonic reveals more details of AG-AF100
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Starshine Video
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Mike Harvey
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This has been beaten to death 8 time over... but while I personally don't need it, there are definite advantages with P2 for a large segment of the potential customer base (not the least of which is AVC-Intra). A lot of the folks looking at this are coming from cameras like the HPX2700, so they either already have P2 and are invested in the workflow, or are looking at this and thinking that, given the competition, even with P2 the camera would be a downright steal.
Without going into engineering (because I'm not an engineer) P2 is absolutely bullet proof. Period. CF and SDHC aren't. The costs don't make the advantages worth it to me for what I do, but I'm not so foolish to believe that what works for me is what works for everyone else.
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
How bout a 35mm sensor Global Shutter CCD cam that can shoot 4:4:4 ??
yea it exists today and you can go and buy it now.
Mike Harvey
Veteran
No, they're not (at least compared to P2). I've never heard of someone losing footage from P2 because their card crapped out. I've heard of plenty of people that their SD card died in the middle of a shoot or the pins on their CF card broke in camera or something like that.
Maybe you should tell RED about this so they can ditch those crappy CF cards and switch to P2.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Enough with the CF vs P2 argument, it's been done to death. Panasonic will not ever go CF, because it's not a suitable medium for professional video, in that it doesn't even have a write-protect tab on it. Whether Red (or Red users) find it suitable is irrelevant, Panasonic has laid out their reasons, and their decision is made.
Mike Harvey
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RED is not the end all to be all of cameras. I don't see too many news crews running around with REDs. RED serves a certain niche market, and by most accounts they serve it fairly well. But to assume that the needs of a RED user is the same as the needs of a news crew, or someone out in the middle of nowhere shooting a Planet Earth/Life type show, or "The Office" is extremely short sighted and borders on arrogant. Don't be so foolish to assume that what works for you works for everyone else.
If you prefer CF, go get a camera that shoots CF (or SDHC, like what I own). But Barry is right, enough with the "Panasonic should go CF and ditch P2". It's been beat into the ground a thousand time over, and Panasonic has their reasons for not going that route. And thousands of customers when given the opportunity have chosen to stay with the format.
Buy the tool that best works for you, but don't tell everyone else what works best for them. Don't assume you know best what everyone else needs/wants/should have.
(And by the way, I never said CF was crappy... only that it isn't as bullet proof as P2)
Because there'd only be one of them, you'd need three manuals to operate it, and it would take over a year to offload the footy into the fiery pits of Mount Doom.
combatentropy
Veteran
Is there a thread (don't want to derail this one ) about 1.8" SSDs? I was wondering how good those would be as a video camera media standard.
Pros:
- Right size. SD is so small it's dangerous to lose. I think this size is ideal.
- Commodity hardware
- Fast (SATA II = up to 3 gigabits per second)
Cons:
- connectors too fragile?
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Otis Grapsas
Carbonite Member
Some SSDs will work, but they need repacking to a connector with better mechanics. Many companies gross millions on their vendor specific media, so I doubt they would switch to something based on SATA.
Red is doing that for their new cameras, putting on their own connector and everything.
Otis Grapsas
Carbonite Member
Adding a connector makes the media assembly vendor specific. It can be sold at 200% margin unless the casing with the new connector is available in the open market, so SATA is viable.
Nityananda_SCSMath
Active member
So is this going to be the same implementation of AVCHD codec as whats on the HCM150, only with a higher bitrate?
Also what's the expected in-stores date now? December or before?
Also what's the expected in-stores date now? December or before?
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Barry_Green
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It will likely be the same as on the HMC150, HMC40, HMC80 AVCCAM cameras. I don't know whether it will have a higher bitrate or not; the HMC150/40/80 already max out what AVCCAM can do.
Only thing we've heard is by the end of the year.
The 1080p60 option of the TM700 isn't AVCCAM (or a "simple" upgrade to it)?
Barry_Green
Moderator
The 1080/60p isn't AVCHD at all, it's outside the spec.
AVCCAM is a brand name for a specific flavor of AVCHD, plus the metadata, plus the camcorders that use it, the warranty, all that stuff. But the underlying footage is entirely AVCHD-compliant.
What the TM700 does is it shoots AVCHD in the lower-bitrate AVCHD-compliant modes, and then it has a separate custom h.264 mode for shooting 1080/60p in.
AVCCAM is a brand name for a specific flavor of AVCHD, plus the metadata, plus the camcorders that use it, the warranty, all that stuff. But the underlying footage is entirely AVCHD-compliant.
What the TM700 does is it shoots AVCHD in the lower-bitrate AVCHD-compliant modes, and then it has a separate custom h.264 mode for shooting 1080/60p in.